From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x82d.google.com (mail-qt1-x82d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B15C3CB37 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82d.google.com with SMTP id z17so6505072qts.13 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nGwx4oWUx/CQJD5KF2phy8IJJTq9C7VkIcsgWlYUlho=; b=PkfrdGgATcB4RVWRUKCXKwYLQhb+6jLNKZBwzuB7H350wu3yd/EN35K2ct3w8c/+Hp Wj+Ruxm+RmE4TvA/RS01oWqHBsHA0X4MbtnlNIOT810PNiQzG15KKiN+lfpWb6J1jqKA GqZFoJ7vYtrFVNzTh/q5is/PqNncqcyKO6BePREVxyHKlhAEhzNjVouXno04Q8/mXXoD hfFFoazTOATWBD7iurSRiKlMXi+hMC9n6uIH+U2Gon7gnHc7YxUbBGE2dRuncqxH48WI wv1otRk7bmHPcpz9cIHsVq/qC8ZK42Fa72d6218ywJDeQwptz6U4npRc9NskmKpomClO iAAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nGwx4oWUx/CQJD5KF2phy8IJJTq9C7VkIcsgWlYUlho=; b=tIMNnxPniWktsy3y/2ZG1RAuLPpLm0oqCQKGjuLL2fLOiZgh8EOZ0IodGqdZofXgjm kpF4e8t1EBZkDBAaeLOA2eg4Xq7hqNeMtp8sMPjrAULJcCxYkFuDlZ6Ox/D4Z3ZTR44H O9re8WExOn8timIkOGkwi94rxSQgqAid0Mo97/3wTMsyvpU+fsMbr8ju3TUR/mSgklb3 j9rCTvFa2NOnTHvK8IgZOaZSFNpmjX5TLYsRP5dlhBOMgGZ/YgJ09Ehdo6pbQ8QUFBue GJLKSa/nEVghrXSy8jjAwEcLkLmOUQbeW/6Id9YUOXlvxoDcP+id18K7cI18IRjt2OaY zrXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWixNGz9Dre0jeoHQOODKBBipPWs4S/86GkFrVNi9LkxPJ9YJR8 HkvMnkKyxw0gv075HmOcMQX6VgaGXx04YSXoChU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwEpwqoUr1dEGpq01mZnvhJA7a38AXiIyM98mAKv7oeQeG0W4+XbuTQxXcpyuRQw6GrP4NYGcL8cm0o3KLFooc= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3786:: with SMTP id d6mr14426792qtc.328.1553385274204; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3F3F78F9-8F97-42F2-9005-F8449489BECF@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3F3F78F9-8F97-42F2-9005-F8449489BECF@gmail.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 00:54:22 +0100 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton Cc: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant , Cake List , Pete Heist Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000077e4ee0584cbb151" Subject: Re: [Cake] Sce In cake testers wanted X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 23:54:34 -0000 --00000000000077e4ee0584cbb151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are two openwrt routers on the boat. On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 12:53 AM Jonathan Morton wrote: > > On 23 Mar, 2019, at 10:28 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant < > kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote: > > > > Sent a github PR to make it build - not run it yet. > > LGTM, so I approved it. I've reached the "bufferboat" and started to > settle in, met Rod and Pete=E2=80=A6 > > I brought a Pi Zero W with me as a basic Linux test environment, but I > need to find a mini to macro HDMI adapter to make it work with this TV. > Pete says he'll look for one to bring over tomorrow. > > So now we probably have *two* working middlebox implementations, using > different approaches, but we need a visualisation tool (hi Pete) and some > sort of working TCP that uses it (whether using the sqrt rule or the 1/n > rule, doesn't really matter - but preferably examples of both). For the > latter, we can temporarily get away with inferring stuff from standard > tcptrace. If there's a working implementation of AccECN for the feedback > path, we might as well use that for demo purposes. > > I want to be able to demonstrate SCE actually working as designed, in a > single-queue implementation, to answer the main argument that some of the > L4S folks have latched onto. But I don't know how soon we'll be able to > manage that. > > - Jonathan Morton > > --00000000000077e4ee0584cbb151 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are two openwrt routers on the boat.

On Sun, Mar 24,= 2019, 12:53 AM Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 Mar, 2019, at 10:28 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote:
>
> Sent a github PR to make it build - not run it yet.

LGTM, so I approved it.=C2=A0 I've reached the "bufferboat" a= nd started to settle in, met Rod and Pete=E2=80=A6

I brought a Pi Zero W with me as a basic Linux test environment, but I need= to find a mini to macro HDMI adapter to make it work with this TV.=C2=A0 P= ete says he'll look for one to bring over tomorrow.

So now we probably have *two* working middlebox implementations, using diff= erent approaches, but we need a visualisation tool (hi Pete) and some sort = of working TCP that uses it (whether using the sqrt rule or the 1/n rule, d= oesn't really matter - but preferably examples of both).=C2=A0 For the = latter, we can temporarily get away with inferring stuff from standard tcpt= race.=C2=A0 If there's a working implementation of AccECN for the feedb= ack path, we might as well use that for demo purposes.

I want to be able to demonstrate SCE actually working as designed, in a sin= gle-queue implementation, to answer the main argument that some of the L4S = folks have latched onto.=C2=A0 But I don't know how soon we'll be a= ble to manage that.

=C2=A0- Jonathan Morton

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