From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A6D43B29D; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id 5so18041875iov.9; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:59:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FppX2ZOA6t1OFcBbD2uBU+zNyciN79rd4jsWbpnXQA8=; b=bg+HrzVcJGWzvjW0Hdo45t/WhTcjzu3I8K+oHDk0a/ylJBBTPlPJTvpOCWEPgzO3w5 8Zma7icu0YLV3Vb8ZJfxz9PioFOzJeSeGBZKlthrxFKDeqhSyP0UQYUYG54wGu7V1e/e K9sMjTaw6FjK7g/V8YIYrZyud51DtcrEZ5UNBauiJBK7nBsOEfICGyxbxiGWAUzwBZwG krMXxN/Tx97th+dFxExujdo/NreUgs3SMGO6S/2WYTWcD6q0wWcUYZQCEoxIed6Puq1e Lkwl8bn/k0uchicmMCm8Sgymf5/HUfLsNrhXx8B6+4gzRDM3UX/O57hHFOTbGpFhYK4I QfZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FppX2ZOA6t1OFcBbD2uBU+zNyciN79rd4jsWbpnXQA8=; b=6XPNK2BK5nRl1Fhr6wFKyfZkNzgXeMZyfVoX8xMG1wBv81MO9cDx+BHT3A8p6M27Ss Q6nvtAAgHZMoBl1dvYtrNCUd4fnvI+VUnL6hVcZVlCD/YexmhXpzsIa9Dzjlphir65EN 6/WtNd94Sww6pl/cj1k13VQxrMSV4mlr9ERbFxRj+b/qOmcgrqTM3nzDq31fZOZWPOK/ DYvRihktGWF943SjammYMdll42jXb+5BJloVatBFZ1F8mNcswc9/gBFy19ynfS8j6yGL FnI/JMK62M2Xu41hqUoW+we3hU24B7vCAXOn6GVlr7MkUvSebm0lRPrnKWflFlkB+EQM TpAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533BGID10atwcoAO0lNrhhtNWWVsYaY4RXrwdiUy+z0GigUA+Hjt kHC8nGLSKIL1i3ydrvxV7jRyKmwl8kqJ+TUZMZY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz0H4qrvUNnaugwe/nsITk6UrqUtdHHNYW2GDzMZPDQv2aGKaiBlPPVsoSjqDJ8ZGkGsAMP8SD93REozLOrtfU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:13c6:: with SMTP id o6mr4066994iov.55.1633921167729; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003001d7bdf0$97282430$c5786c90$@inacomptc.com> <004901d7bdf2$8544e8a0$8fceb9e0$@inacomptc.com> <00ce01d7be3d$ed5bfc30$c813f490$@inacomptc.com> <00e701d7be42$e16683f0$a4338bd0$@inacomptc.com> <00f901d7be49$8f61cb80$ae256280$@inacomptc.com> In-Reply-To: <00f901d7be49$8f61cb80$ae256280$@inacomptc.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jordan Szuch Cc: Cake List , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:59:28 -0000 well the rrul_be test would be more comparable to the htb+fqcodel test. or... i have no idea how to do a 3 tier sqm like model in microtik On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 7:41 PM Jordan Szuch wrote: > > Quite possibly, as I was running the songs. Although I'm not the only per= son using the Internet at my location so the network definitely hasn't been= completely quiet while those tests were running. There was probably Netfli= x/Youtube/Spotify traffic going while any of the tests have been running. > > There should be a Run #5 for cake, fq_codel, and baseline (no SQM) availa= ble. I left it as Run #5 for each test just to indicate they were run aroun= d the same time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:30 PM > To: Jordan Szuch > Cc: Cake List ; bloat > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > btw, is the variability I'm seeing on this run possibily due to playing t= he song? (part of my intent with the rrul test was to also playout other fo= rms of traffic) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch wrote= : > > > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break =F0=9F= =98=83 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan Szuch > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > > To: 'Dave Taht' > > Cc: 'Cake List' ; 'bloat' > > > > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the m= eantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so= it's all good. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere= most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spec= trum... > > > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for > > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. > > > try > > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch w= rote: > > > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided= earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch > > > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't real= ly run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quic= k Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dave Taht > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > > To: Jordan Szuch > > > > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up= a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do= some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a= little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functi= onal. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm ind= icate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the un= it, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Bloat On Behalf Of > > > > > > Dave Taht > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > > To: Cake List ; bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and > > > > > > cake recently > > > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwg= w > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC