From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x229.google.com (mail-ob0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490DF2007D0 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obfe9 with SMTP id e9so138446718obf.1 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Clifbo0iI47WHpd3g0BInQWaxxokXZjZ4OqcS/frcc=; b=ZNuiiOXWT6Pe704AUP927lIkWj34uNIUr81i6D8MmC1sjQ53C+VkFApAxulZslzuHJ gaYu3sm6q3WyunXYhrCUfkdRVRBJwmzn+rAlZJoI2s4khuUNIxxcaMzK5aR+QL0yht0Q sailP2mNOeE/ReaidZYCk1jF4Zamuke6WgbN9+sulxOr0cqF2xPQkBAXTmC4cQmO1uDf ul9naeKYNQFTXj/ozHEAGQdEpafyNdXm4aptoMMquKOHEmcHm/9F4WRmQA8g9yWJm2Wa WuMOL7GGWj6ErGcKU9s2Q/sD6Eruj2FPCjKe28zxSnBkaFV9Urxf++W2ODzwDxlAEc6Z 5jIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.223.131 with SMTP id w125mr19840215oig.108.1431979069469; Mon, 18 May 2015 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.71.139 with HTTP; Mon, 18 May 2015 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554F64E1.6000609@gmail.com> <554F9594.60808@gmail.com> <7B7986E7-49A1-4EE1-B8D0-B55A6C2660A1@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: David Lang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cake] More overhead keywords X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:58:43 -0000 anyone up for doing the man page or imrpoving this further? http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM, David Lang wrote: > On Mon, 18 May 2015, Jonathan Morton wrote: > >> I've gone for the technical labels for three reasons. First, it reflects >> what's actually happening, which generally reduces confusion in the long >> run. Second, you might underestimate the number of ADSL ISPs worldwide, = as >> well as the difficulty of keeping such a database up to date. Third, eve= ry >> DSL modem and ISP I know of has made it reasonably easy to discover at >> least the base encapsulations - autodetection of vcmux vs llc isn't >> absolutely reliable, for example. They might be less forthcoming about >> vlan >> and FCS, but one can make intelligent guesses here, based on whether it'= s >> a >> converged services ISP. > > > offer both the official labels and some easy-to-understand boxes to use > > for example > > underlying packet size (ATM =3D 48, Ethernet =3D 1500) > > protocol overhead (various examples) > > David Lang > > >> Ideally, we could do with a tool (at dslreports?) which makes detecting >> the >> actual overhead easier. This would be doable using small packets to >> magnify >> the differences. >> >> And if the user really can't work it out, they can always throw up their >> hands and specify "conservative". >> >> - Jonathan Morton > > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67