From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 871D63B2A4 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 11:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id p13so2613802qke.4 for ; Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:39:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u8ayJ33gjYWkXuY1WVj51y+nGbjjYqq5sSWrv4O91OY=; b=Z8z8TH0//3Hc+q3AqPijqKlUyo4BaWF0ObYraWxRRwy/IeH0qVinnM5vMMIkz/feju 4WKCIciXx7bPRdlNUjEZZpTPGQ97jUoneGD9kiKMzxObMK+Fs8dV/3jtkBj6ifvDLh8f 4bUoIV7fMygEkN2b+11NsJeAPn9N+khizIkMBmaMfKAqyJB4ijt6/1JOxFJVrZIZxebA rN2i0Ka5dQYb3J+KS3Z0qLo32ZGXxGpqROhsA41Khe4HwGzCyyP36Mg9QdJqAGrfdHiq rOQgPR9bezAo8G4dusa53TEQOAY9XG4Uwo6B9mXxsoMZkU/w5yYA4Ucyxn0igw3z7ybs SPWQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u8ayJ33gjYWkXuY1WVj51y+nGbjjYqq5sSWrv4O91OY=; b=loqjZzCnud6zHkzvnjW9LwoWkr4GiJDcwMmIZ2WxVQ+iCDo8U7bwQ7tap/1ocIBao0 YsyQ1tmpM9QSwKzK7EBicwsOenLQYmzSZn7zK0MyynuG9fR0+Q8jpbM/3txsqEEbW364 xBaj9xXTsbfuS2/F9nYgpLPQ+lBAHc9wadIa+Oq8EGdDmaMCYtV+z3AodEW9YEUbTq4e r0GXuarzK2/EqJZLXdpO4GK6wgzDBhSM/mr2JgXwV5yissVC3QH6Q/ww+l6H+PvM6gGL qbEn5WWyqFWPNZK5ZibdCXrG8xjiYDNBUL0CRHipR0ev/Onkur19DehNECRTu+sR5FGQ wy/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcsQcYW2Orxk56jjHcBisT8SxlnvRFmGrvLn58hHZVo6wO5mu55 IYzr8ik06KNU0NqKXforVW7HuM1xpuq/kwVE4jw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotdsM26o3PgvYp8qWq3M+8MPQcxgjNwUuK/bwjyqN6qZLjKao2yrPfmWYmP+o1acdnYSoFdh0hStZ0h5qTnQEU= X-Received: by 10.55.163.75 with SMTP id m72mr168402qke.299.1515083944129; Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:39:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.193.93 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 08:39:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87bmi97l3w.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 08:39:03 -0800 Message-ID: To: Luca Muscariello Cc: Jonathan Morton , Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] Modification of DRR with deficit saving X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 16:39:04 -0000 On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Luca Muscariello wrote: > That is a big mountain to climb And this one wasn't? :) The really ironic thing that I discovered: is that whatsapp is universal here - it's everywhere - even on business cards - over both cellular and wifi. Why? Because voice and videoconferencing comms are so unreliable that store and forward is the only way to communicate reliably. So it's kind of like a return of usenet or CB radio, if those analogies could apply to a culture that had never experienced both. When I finally figured out why whatsapp was so popular, I laughed and laugh= ed. Humanity will find a bug and route around it, indeed, far faster than we can fix the internet. "Can your hear me? Over". All that work to make better queuing available, so long from deployment. The radio I'm behind right now (in a bar), has a version of ubnt's firmware from 5+ years ago on it... Fiber is being deployed (single mode!), at rates starting at 2Mbit/sec in san juan del sur, (http://www.cootel.com.ni/ - massive bufferbloat), on the cheapest hardware imaginable and after I got it working it failed a few days later two hops into their network ... why? the fiber got cut a few blocks just out of town... which is still unfixed, days later. > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> >> Done fixing the home. It's time to fix the rest of the internet. And >> that's not just queue theory but address assignment and routing. >> Here's >> a traceroute from where I sit in Nicaragua at the moment, post cake. >> How to figure out exactly how much NAT is on the path? >> > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619