From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89D13CB41 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id z144so4419335iof.0 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:56:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZXyo+Wb5ABtrpeZtlGMzb0V0ZhylbMAEydIsXxHKwSE=; b=Y+/1RAg4VbyVXbi2o6X9DXET33HVUoq9hAxYeD+R4Oar6bw0jFfb3tAyY+gDG+6gxp hJyEDegX6HwuzI88d3svz0dm1WAPWcxXqHSWwcdS9Y3ChZwp2zELPWVx2WxA1kzqeMR+ 47vJIrNDsRuH27PklYmLNvvKDX7lg5Ug6fBNEWVz9ycH2OsEDNV9X5WuU9IKRRBz489P /WdNRsu6EI62WpuV7tVlx9qCaiDgAitALoqrW69hejyisbYmbliOBr13zp4+amSjRT2Q SgB5VRyhJY91VN0jmC9hbf6RZoLYXusizYQb6aJ7CZqNmwR5MQ27xpFVph0JKLn7l2gx 9Xpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZXyo+Wb5ABtrpeZtlGMzb0V0ZhylbMAEydIsXxHKwSE=; b=B+yhcXA70h5K/8yVOIigymWUQDwdqp1BHDr50w2Emxqg8WeblrmA10G0iTU2qVtQ2/ lDRx6zFWpdpwxnEgxD5GbHiUVvXmpb/t91APLwFnapmZac5yIFauKL9xioaxUi3H5tN6 Owwcx1YCb5Mdtqc+9cMNjHOKDcleuudBONV4STmcJ1VpNUenD9WrkCXd+wMi6gBYWTCS UXxUxBJlVcVIGknuBzKLOcraIxItlLp8MOuoRkSMPuG8WOi/quLDQi0h7xloOkBC1ODE Qe3WO7qVoyyjymSuOOdkpqIZRmAVE0zhFXkeMZl6S5znANelgm9x4S0FoUllkuJQ+an7 mIMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530OmRBvDsbmTZolWp9+XotYWgUvGu/CbMETkfB48eSoXEN5HzXr gBrjV5toCwR0BYDxQJeZyZxdYvsU9pMI67HxDsk5S6sv X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyJh41+Dr2LzYsLCfBKxQiGl4L1VdvHEn6D5i0VUzCQJGJsT2Lln0cj/Y2htDFOSJt1ElH42FCcaI1HhHgb7Ok= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:190f:: with SMTP id p15mr331700jal.104.1635371784939; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:56:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003001d7bdf0$97282430$c5786c90$@inacomptc.com> <006001d7c129$2de82f10$89b88d30$@inacomptc.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: To: Thomas Croghan Cc: Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:56:25 -0000 On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 8:17 AM Thomas Croghan wr= ote: > > I listened to you on Modem, Nick is pretty involved with us on TBW, but M= odem is his own thing. While there's some overlap I'd suspect that we have = a diverse enough listener base that you should get some new ears. But I tot= ally get not wanting to waste your time talking to the same audience. I think enough new stuff has happened to have things worth talking about in late november or early december. I can discuss some potential new-ish topics offlist. > I'll see about what I will need to do to setup a proper test suite to get= usable data. Particularly if we can get good data back from the mikrotik beta! Flent is our goto tool of course. Rrul tests are generally a quick start. > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 PM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan = wrote: >> > >> > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering= of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting da= ta is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz ARM64= ). >> >> The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock >> a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but >> I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize. >> >> > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can = set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some conversatio= n about trying to get Dave on a while back. >> >> I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!! >> >> https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/ >> >> is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show? >> >> I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that >> the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea. >> >> After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind >> of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself >> after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, >> perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from >> bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie." >> >> so far, he hasn't called. >> >> BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche >> mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart >> >> So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast >> on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple >> opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some >> new jokes and analogies.... >> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake wrote: >> >> >> >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get noti= fications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my day= to day work. >> >> >> >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mail= ing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have som= e bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it loo= ks like. >> >> >> >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or = evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast with= a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty clu= ed into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped onto a= podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up be= ing very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit sce= nario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DyFKG_cXGPrE&t=3D4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an= earlier episode (found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ1QitymNZTo&t= =3D4285s), although one host was a bit skeptical of everything. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Dave Taht >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM >> >> To: Jordan Szuch >> >> Cc: Cake List ; bloat >> >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> >> >> >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: >> >> >> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D179307 >> >> >> >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go bac= k to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromeboo= k I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email an= d make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some= reason. >> >> >> >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test the= ir bigger iron... >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi Dave, >> >> > >> >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a u= nit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do som= e testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a lit= tle testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional= . At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicat= e some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, = the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. >> >> > >> >> > Jordan >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Bloat On Behalf Of Dave >> >> > Taht >> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM >> >> > To: Cake List ; bloat >> >> > >> >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> >> > >> >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake >> >> > recently >> >> > >> >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000 >> >> > >> >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw >> >> > >> >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Bloat mailing list >> >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Bloat mailing list >> >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6= Xrwgw >> >> >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Cake mailing list >> >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cake mailing list >> > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> >> >> >> -- >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrw= gw >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC