From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E75503B2A4; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 23:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id q8so2673094wmo.5; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 20:01:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=z44miAUotniqDLXhq/jyoeuJGBI8gCh9hlVwt/FkOr4=; b=aFVtqVIt+dHcxfc56npBi3DHtcI0OQpLW9LkM0/Sf1jef4a6+Pkks9tLhhMq4GTzb2 W6WnqiNcetn/l0LWvWhsAGKrv4VyRYCjOZPRpRbZBtAO8C0q91xz8FkQlP+KYjXXwGhg 0fbk9xmXEHcqyzjLFO8LZ9STAQWlLZhDRMR6DqXtr2eOyN+/JSSJf9GeUTvFSgwg67u5 rm+iQJHVpdf9sFMe395LmDY0hWQ31ZwK346qvn8jMb/h2OhVTrQnDmLpWfhGNfqFkE3E PlP13hqIeLDAzQmepBgL8OB9PqDu3Ji4SwGPUI6iE1AY0djGNYYXTIIkFSaAV2TczFAt LVkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=z44miAUotniqDLXhq/jyoeuJGBI8gCh9hlVwt/FkOr4=; b=GN0OUNrEtT/YkUsLQwqf10wyUKSONbfixq3V/sBVuDhf6rAgXJlWSvmmbnMLEny2pQ n+FQHwdaqxR3JvgJQLg2TH2uB7TlgY67ZZSY/y96S/HKUE96NZmAbWuxsgBKWr+z+Xj7 ir/vqQxZTRx7ypfcY24QQmvUyrTL/7Ql6YFKJ1ClEf6Ma3exN6nWGLdDGVkOo4k58Aym fmQXmEoTUbDBUROW2TdZaIuoXjjx4j6KMp9JMUAM469lN9Zk0yUmqTXkjV+6DYg39g1h U+cFwkvPhHOvzcrlBgYlkFnp0gY/aPoip4fE/LSF3A/Fs/bDWHyUKiKaDVwemJcdu9el QjRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koKB2OHpQlecmnlXx9H7rBi857JRaKk2gYS5xOc18YByqSSO8OI 6kfGlXjmwJXC6mihOzlX4ZxMhSEy57M+QAMVG/h9n180 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtH5u+pHBfircx6vmHjXyN+FA+z05wl6OA24JkZbCDz9qjYJxzBfkYmC/1n4GssIY2Jf1a6LIpFJvt7y9NKqy0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2309:b0:3d5:f77e:40b6 with SMTP id 9-20020a05600c230900b003d5f77e40b6mr2684961wmo.206.1673582496844; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 20:01:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89D796E75967416B9723211C183A8396@SRA6> <3696AEA5409D4303ABCBC439727A5E40@SRA6> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 20:01:24 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Luis A. Cornejo" Cc: "MORTON JR., AL" , Jay Moran , Cake List , IETF IPPM WG , Rpm , bloat , "dickroy@alum.mit.edu" , libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 04:01:38 -0000 On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 7:30 PM Luis A. Cornejo wrote: > > Well Reddit has many posts talking about noticeable performance increases= for Starlink. Here is a primetime run: > > waveform: > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3D333f97c7-7cbd-406c-8= d9a-9f850cb5de7d That is unquestionably the best result I have ever seen for starlink. Are you in a position to take a packet capture of the waveform test, or try some flent based tests? > cloudflare attached > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 11:43 AM MORTON JR., AL wrote: >> >> Dave and Luis, >> >> Do you know if any of these tools are using ~random payloads, to defeat = compression? >> >> UDPST has a CLI option: >> (m) -X Randomize datagram payload (else zeroes) >> >> When I used this option testing shipboard satellite access, download was= about 115kbps. >> >> Al >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Dave Taht >> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 11:12 AM >> > To: Luis A. Cornejo >> > Cc: Jay Moran ; Cake List ; IE= TF IPPM >> > WG ; MORTON JR., AL ; Rpm >> > ; bloat ; >> > dickroy@alum.mit.edu; libreqos >> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets >> > cloudflare'schristmas present >> > >> > Either starlink has vastly improved, or the test is way off in this ca= se. --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC