From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x236.google.com (mail-oi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 019183B260 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id v145so87871154oie.0 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TnX6mHurs2m0C7WBquLI2bz8y13Bq3hx5BXyOjgueuE=; b=tfGNugv/zKwuz3j6bgyhWauVBLYJ/ky/q1N6+4ELm0crhx9+zsJmS6YO0ElLUwshBz IzmhjMNZ6ppIi+M33cKv93Sl8kP63GPkjODenzvsIbfBQH4KXmshL4wwvV38po30pSiD wei3TC0stTFwzhKeQuBMc/DyfJVKwd/nY5+DY+12CoDJlj8U204D5g1iFG0IKoC/NLJx N4jii5GNpaAlLyOs15Oq7Q2/cCCwBX8JqHoamRzv/IRGjwPORmAjpTdZe93tGaPYYSPZ T6HgYhNN6NlPl1iXhhriBRoUq9XJMLA+qJ55ac853ZVPmeXBzl9XHkTzkr3FsCrGTCLm 3DlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TnX6mHurs2m0C7WBquLI2bz8y13Bq3hx5BXyOjgueuE=; b=AXCNzrRNwhWHRaGEB3L/kM8+NpQ2vrdqvqGElR0B+fdl1TyJL1JAwz7ZjRuPo/Kwg6 AJSmoLlV2apgy9ijI7J2MlGiTWR2lmcja/1lRJAq7FAHfhKdzLhgkrcdqCHYxIB7R37Y UbIHZVgc2pw9+Ny+YdoxSIrM234xaKMCSrynpDp901vzJl/xp9iYUVF1rhUKf5qmRkLX KwX5TNCWNM4R1/SIN+mLnsERqS6e0cOzKLl5WqfOR0EkUaMCPakCzzEM8pFFhEpNcPdQ D80mApmPk9t/iaXTPBQEfPfmZhzpSOSJFEqbg/oBeUglKZVBLS4AEMxo26wAyIjjTXD5 lX3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXECTRTH/qer/9IoOcr0ui8gY3f4izF/isKksUeHH2RZKHVGFBhN5AOHLlVcJrUw2aZeB7z+MNdYbz/Yg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.157.4.174 with SMTP id 43mr8958810otm.127.1461941935040; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.78.23 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:58:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571BC61C.4070008@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <571BD3BC.2090405@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:58:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Arie Cc: Alec Robertson , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] Beating bufferbloat X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:58:56 -0000 I am using this build. one thing that failed twice recently was the dnscrypt stuff (for no reason I can discern). I ended up disabling it this morning. On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Arie wrote: > If you want a very recent cake version, you could use my build from here: > http://ariekanarie.nl/openwrt/mvebu/ It's based on the very feature heavy > OpenWRT build by trondah ( https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=3D5= 0914 > ), but using more recent cerowrt and cake stuff. > > You'll want to flash the shelby factory.img if still on stock firmware, e= lse > shelby sysupgrade.tar. > > > > On 24 April 2016 at 00:22, Alec Robertson wro= te: >> >> Dear All, >> >> I=E2=80=99ve realised that I have been responding to Kevin rather than t= o the >> mailing list - my bad! >> >> I think I will purchase a Linksys WRT1900ACS as it seems to be fairly we= ll >> regarded and is easily accessible in the UK. >> >> How do I go about setting up Cake on it? >> >> -- >> Alec Robertson >> >> On 23 April 2016 at 9:00:52 pm, Alec Robertson (alecrobertson13@gmail.co= m) >> wrote: >> >> Dear Kevin, >> >> I did look at the Linksys WRT1200AC but it seems to get some rather poor >> reviews on Amazon? >> >> -- >> Alec Robertson >> >> On 23 April 2016 at 8:58:02 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant >> (kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk) wrote: >> >> >> >> On 23/04/2016 20:42, Alec Robertson wrote: >> >> Dear Kevin, >> >> That=E2=80=99s very useful thanks. >> >> You say the TP-LINK Archer C7 should just be okay. What could I get that= I >> know will last me for a long time? What=E2=80=99s got good WiFi range to= o? >> >> The honest answer is I've absolutely no idea and I'm in that dilemma >> myself. There's a remake of the linksys WRT range (WRT1200????) that >> apparently is very powerful, I guess the issue is how far along OpenWrt = is. >> I might have the wrong end of hte stick but I think Dave Taht may have >> something working. >> >> Apologies, I'm not really a mine of information. >> >> >> I=E2=80=99m using powerline at the moment but fed up with it disconnecti= ng. I >> think it is probably the TP-LINK adaptors I am using (known issue >> apparently) but wiring up the house is unpractical at the moment. I don= =E2=80=99t >> think there is a better solution really. >> >> -- >> Alec Robertson >> >> On 23 April 2016 at 8:00:00 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant >> (kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk) wrote: >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> I'm not familiar with TalkTalk but they sound like they do similar >> things to Sky - Sky just need a 'login ID' as part of the DHCP request >> packet (which funnily enough are the PPPoA/E login details) >> >> In terms of speed sacrifice, erm, none really. I've set 40mpbs incoming >> and 9990kbps for outgoing on a 40000/9999 link as reported by the >> modem. Probably critically I've set the packet overheads to 12, and I >> now can't remember why... there's an on-wire vlan tag (4 bytes) but the >> reason for the other 8 have fallen out of the brain cell. >> >> I've a semi-regular backup job overnight that on a bad day overruns into >> the day - a week or so ago it ran for something like 2 days and I had >> absolutely no idea - thinkbroadband's ping monitor was registering >> something like an extra 5mS latency over the baseline, peaks were >> something like 25mS - backup stats and openwrt's stats package were >> registering the full 10mbps uplink in use during that time. >> >> Does that help? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> On 23/04/16 19:40, Alec Robertson wrote: >> > Dear Kevin, >> > >> > I am on TalkTalk which uses IPoE, so no PPPoE use at all, as far as I >> > know. I certainly haven=E2=80=99t ever configured login details. >> > >> > How much speed do you have to sacrifice on your connection to >> > eliminate bufferbloat? >> > >> > -- >> > Alec Robertson >> > >> > On 23 April 2016 at 10:46:35 am, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant >> > (kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk ) >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> >> >> A brief appearance from me whilst I have a spare few seconds. >> >> >> >> Not stupid! >> >> >> >> There=E2=80=99s an obvious question: Why are Billion still shipping b= uffer >> >> bloated devices? Have they been sent graphs/demos/logs of how their >> >> kit is faulty? >> >> >> >> To offer some hopefully constructive pointers: For FTTC service I=E2= =80=99m >> >> guessing you=E2=80=99ll be using the Billion as a vdsl modem. Who=E2= =80=99s the ISP? >> >> AFAIK anyone other than Sky will need to run PPPoE and hence hit the >> >> 1492 MTU restriction *unless* the Billion supports mini jumbo frames >> >> on the ethernet side and the PPPoE MTU extension (the rfc number >> >> escapes the brain at the moment) Sky don=E2=80=99t use PPP and just r= un >> >> ethernet frames over PTM=E2=80=A6..the way it should be. The incoming >> >> packets from ISP to you are policed at something close to sync rate, >> >> this is part of the BT specification. The uplink of course can be as >> >> bloated as hell ;-) >> >> >> >> I use an Archer C7 with BT=E2=80=99s equally horrendously bloated HG6= 12 vdsl >> >> modem on a 40/10 link with sky as my isp. In terms of CPU usage it=E2= =80=99s >> >> about 1% per megabit so a full 40/10 uses around 55% cpu, I think >> >> there=E2=80=99s enough for your 60/20=E2=80=A6just. >> >> https://middling.me.uk/blog/2015/03/customising-openwrt-to-my-needs/ >> >> offers further advice which I found useful. >> >> >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 22 Apr 2016, at 23:01, Alec Robertson > >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> I=E2=80=99ve been out of the bufferbloat game for a while and want t= o try >> >>> and beat it once again. >> >>> >> >>> I=E2=80=99ve got an FTTC connection (UK) which I get around 60Mbps o= n but >> >>> with horrible bufferbloat on my Billion 8800NL. What router should I >> >>> get that can run OpenWRT and handle this connection? Do the newest >> >>> builds of OpenWRT have cake built-in now via sqm-scripts or would I >> >>> need to install this manually. If so, how would I do this? >> >>> >> >>> Would appreciate any help and apologies if I come off in any way >> >>> stupid. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Alec Robertson >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Cake mailing list >> >>> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin@Darbyshire-Bryant.me.uk >> M: +44 7947 355344 H: +44 1256 478597 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org