From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E33C63B29E for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id s17so5551587ioa.13 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wOWXAUy0O6Emq5vgAuJkFBDrqvBLrXvls/yBBi2cf9k=; b=dgYzwvPpj9PMuqt3H9PvzQ0m1EBf7aUy/x1ByhJ3+1nhwe/LTJlp6cj5yacFrAMcJV 7Ve7JMWH22eH2THBxUM92K3B1jOkqa985ek2fRvyjxUN0SGmVwTMWj/oYhRKYzJsIy9m O8f5LMQDX5oaOY6IJ7tKOQiQoyywh9oqr0dMhlGxKbb4Pzwr1YKz3WYvEII/+UFXMhyh OnW1VdxM42MDlg8RijYjfdnZvIb5ATdKKVUzC1nHHKCGWr5V5hIPkHul0K7vtUw9uh4S 9Lq23cCLDrWPoLdDfQa53QMpOmeowysVvICTJz1EtNbGcO1qSQH1/yrVUIdiim/gXwPI fLTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wOWXAUy0O6Emq5vgAuJkFBDrqvBLrXvls/yBBi2cf9k=; b=MLtn3+bBy1lbBbAWhTYdEGMOaLBeaYISNIPr1IoktBNr/3ay0xaXIywJY5l6YN0sPH Yn/mVkEs0hFBpz5AmjeHAhDwvedrb+qelZ1k3Hio8u60xS8ir/asNi9cUhllaWdaVx+h JXtnqpANj2llmVjf4ltL/9n3GogtR9Yk+chM7y7YHLB3qVUhi+1VKWgNZaNQfZ2nyjkp CtgcCY8stYJfK2Z4vQJAbWFZXR7T/siC1sWRrlmzrrcnTDXYcqsjRZQ4/WngGdWeaalq MaIbvcCRt6ssM41LXThFcu4/0zaqawlbGLUhRyvCx17l6fS2bz2fKqUH+Ig2f9+8U4Mw Yb8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ysC1FgEXTEfd/c4n+BSotdELwi5y3iXyVcRGnxPPh7VMtx4K4 +9o8NhlWXf7rUbgIEsArmXT8TdVqIQqK2PEPIyORpRRe2Bs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzkIHVCCVYDceDDRYWiaAIYM+VSbGmOUrWV/o2AkWP6xE68gBV0o3DZ38TrbtXUa5ouCKyFub0w+B+xYEV4DnQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:1607:: with SMTP id x7mr5048228jas.128.1634250796948; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:33:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003001d7bdf0$97282430$c5786c90$@inacomptc.com> <006001d7c129$2de82f10$89b88d30$@inacomptc.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: Thomas Croghan Cc: Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:33:18 -0000 On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan wr= ote: > > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering of= their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting data = is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz ARM64). The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize. > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can set= that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some conversation a= bout trying to get Dave on a while back. I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!! https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/ is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show? I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea. After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie." so far, he hasn't called. BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some new jokes and analogies.... > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake wrote: >> >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get notific= ations when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my day to= day work. >> >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mailing= list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have some b= igger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it looks = like. >> >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or eva= ngelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast with a = rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty clued = into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped onto a po= dcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. >> >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up being= very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit scenar= io (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyF= KG_cXGPrE&t=3D4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an earl= ier episode (found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ1QitymNZTo&t=3D42= 85s), although one host was a bit skeptical of everything. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Taht >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM >> To: Jordan Szuch >> Cc: Cake List ; bloat >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: >> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D179307 >> >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back t= o the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I= have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and m= ake it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some re= ason. >> >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their = bigger iron... >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat wrote: >> > >> > Hi Dave, >> > >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit= (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some t= esting of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little= testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. A= t least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate s= ome shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the= v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. >> > >> > Jordan >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Bloat On Behalf Of Dave >> > Taht >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM >> > To: Cake List ; bloat >> > >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> > >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake >> > recently >> > >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000 >> > >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? >> > >> > -- >> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw >> > >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bloat mailing list >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bloat mailing list >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> >> >> -- >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrw= gw >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC