* [Cake] some mikrotik comments @ 2021-10-10 15:39 Dave Taht 2021-10-10 16:05 ` [Cake] [Bloat] " Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 0:53 ` [Cake] " Thomas Croghan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cake List, bloat the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake recently https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 15:39 [Cake] some mikrotik comments Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 16:05 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-10 16:11 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-14 17:08 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 0:53 ` [Cake] " Thomas Croghan 1 sibling, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Hi Dave, Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. Jordan -----Original Message----- From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave Taht Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake recently https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 16:05 ` [Cake] [Bloat] " Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 16:11 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-10 16:18 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-14 17:08 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake recently > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 16:11 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 16:18 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-10 17:51 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:05 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? Jordan -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > recently > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 16:18 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 17:51 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-10 20:39 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 1:05 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat goferit! We have flent servers throughout the world, mostly undocumented. I tend to prefer folk setup their own, less noise in the data.... On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > recently > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 17:51 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 20:39 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-10 21:37 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Unfortunately, didn't have time to setup my own server but here are the results for Flent on against the public east/west bufferbloat servers: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqQ8zMdwTTBmcd_mnw?e=675gyh That's a shared OneDrive folder with results from running with CAKE and then without any kind of shaping. Here's some additional information as well. This was the command that was run: flent rrul -p all_scaled -l 60 -H netperf.bufferbloat.net Internet is a Spectrum cable connection. Bandwidth is supposed to be 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up. I have it limited to 90Mbps and 9Mbps for shaping. Here's also the CAKE settings I have configured on the router: Upload Queue name="cake-nat-doc-up" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=filter Download Queue name="cake-nat-doc" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=none Hopefully those settings are configured somewhat decently. Hope that helps! Jordan -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:51 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments goferit! We have flent servers throughout the world, mostly undocumented. I tend to prefer folk setup their own, less noise in the data.... On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > recently > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 20:39 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 21:37 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-10 23:01 ` Jordan Szuch 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 21:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat Encouraged! On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Unfortunately, didn't have time to setup my own server but here are the results for Flent on against the public east/west bufferbloat servers: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqQ8zMdwTTBmcd_mnw?e=675gyh > > That's a shared OneDrive folder with results from running with CAKE and then without any kind of shaping. Here's some additional information as well. > > This was the command that was run: flent rrul -p all_scaled -l 60 -H netperf.bufferbloat.net -t the_test_parameters # helps to name the plots, so you can compare them later --step-size=.05 # sample at a higher frequency > Internet is a Spectrum cable connection. Bandwidth is supposed to be 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up. I have it limited to 90Mbps and 9Mbps for shaping. Here's also the CAKE settings I have configured on the router: Is it not a docsis 3.1 modem? Because your unshaped result was *miserable*. > > Upload Queue > name="cake-nat-doc-up" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=filter 0bps ? with docsis framing you should be able to just say 10mbit, rather than 9. cake-ack-filter=filter ? does it have filter-aggressive? > > Download Queue > name="cake-nat-doc" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=none It looks like your provisioned rate was closer to 120. Try 110. > Hopefully those settings are configured somewhat decently. Hope that helps! > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:51 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > goferit! We have flent servers throughout the world, mostly undocumented. I tend to prefer folk setup their own, less noise in the data.... > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > > Taht > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > recently > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 21:37 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-10 23:01 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 0:40 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-10 23:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:38 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments Great! >Encouraged! On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Unfortunately, didn't have time to setup my own server but here are > the results for Flent on against the public east/west bufferbloat > servers: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqQ8zMdwTTBmcd_mnw?e=675gyh > > That's a shared OneDrive folder with results from running with CAKE and then without any kind of shaping. Here's some additional information as well. > > This was the command that was run: flent rrul -p all_scaled -l 60 -H > netperf.bufferbloat.net >-t the_test_parameters # helps to name the plots, so you can compare them later >--step-size=.05 # sample at a higher frequency Got it. There's now a new run in the shared CAKE folder with the high sample frequency (Run #2) > Internet is a Spectrum cable connection. Bandwidth is supposed to be 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up. I have it limited to 90Mbps and 9Mbps for shaping. Here's also the CAKE settings I have configured on the router: >Is it not a docsis 3.1 modem? Because your unshaped result was *miserable*. No, just 3.0. Most of the modems in this area are that presently (Northern Michigan). No much incentive for Spectrum to replace them unless you're purchasing their highest speeds. Not sure if a 3.1 modem would make a difference in their case, but it's possible. > > Upload Queue > name="cake-nat-doc-up" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=filter >0bps ? >with docsis framing you should be able to just say 10mbit, rather than 9. >cake-ack-filter=filter ? does it have filter-aggressive? A quirk of how you can configure the queue on the router. You can specify the bandwidth limit in the general queue configuration or the configuration for the queue type you're using. Configuration now looks something like this: name="cake-nat-doc-up" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=10.0Mbps cake-overhead=18 cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=aggressive name="cake-nat-doc" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=110.0Mbps cake-overhead=18 cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=none And yes, there is the aggressive filter. > > Download Queue > name="cake-nat-doc" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=none >It looks like your provisioned rate was closer to 120. Try 110. I increased the bandwidth as seen above. We'll see how that behaves! > Hopefully those settings are configured somewhat decently. Hope that helps! > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:51 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > goferit! We have flent servers throughout the world, mostly undocumented. I tend to prefer folk setup their own, less noise in the data.... > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > Dave Taht > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > recently > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 23:01 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 0:40 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 0:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:01 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:38 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > Great! > > >Encouraged! > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, didn't have time to setup my own server but here are > > the results for Flent on against the public east/west bufferbloat > > servers: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqQ8zMdwTTBmcd_mnw?e=675gyh > > > > That's a shared OneDrive folder with results from running with CAKE and then without any kind of shaping. Here's some additional information as well. > > > > This was the command that was run: flent rrul -p all_scaled -l 60 -H > > netperf.bufferbloat.net > > >-t the_test_parameters # helps to name the plots, so you can compare them later > >--step-size=.05 # sample at a higher frequency > > Got it. There's now a new run in the shared CAKE folder with the high sample frequency (Run #2) The upload background flow is really struggling at this speed (5% of the total bandwidth) but... this is probably a good result. I am comforted that mikrotik is shipping a correct cake. If you had 2x more uplink bandwidth, the observed delay on the measurement flows would be closer to 0. > > > Internet is a Spectrum cable connection. Bandwidth is supposed to be 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up. I have it limited to 90Mbps and 9Mbps for shaping. Here's also the CAKE settings I have configured on the router: > > >Is it not a docsis 3.1 modem? Because your unshaped result was *miserable*. > > No, just 3.0. Most of the modems in this area are that presently (Northern Michigan). No much incentive for Spectrum to replace them unless you're purchasing their highest speeds. Not sure if a 3.1 modem would make a difference in their case, but it's possible. At least on comcast now, all 3.1 modems have pie, and so do the cmts-es. Rather than 1000ms+ delay you are seeing on spectrum, you should see no more than 60ms, with pie on in both directions, on this test. The fairness vs the cake result will be less, also, but it is very hard to argue with a 16x1 reduction in latency under this load in the out of the comcast-box experience. I am certainly hoping that the rest of the cable industry follows comcast, soon. Someday perhaps they too will adopt cake, but I think they'd have to be forced into it by competitive pressure from a fiber provider, or a starlink. > > > > > Upload Queue > > name="cake-nat-doc-up" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 > > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=filter > > >0bps ? > > >with docsis framing you should be able to just say 10mbit, rather than 9. > > >cake-ack-filter=filter ? does it have filter-aggressive? > > A quirk of how you can configure the queue on the router. You can specify the bandwidth limit in the general queue configuration or the configuration for the queue type you're using. Configuration now looks something like this: > > name="cake-nat-doc-up" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=10.0Mbps cake-overhead=18 > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=aggressive > > name="cake-nat-doc" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=110.0Mbps cake-overhead=18 > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=none > > And yes, there is the aggressive filter. I am in general unfond of the aggressive option, but ... pretty good. It shouldn't be quite this variable. Go back to just filter. If you want, try enabling ecn on the client. > > > > Download Queue > > name="cake-nat-doc" kind=cake cake-bandwidth=0bps cake-overhead=18 > > cake-mpu=64 cake-overhead-scheme=docsis cake-rtt=100ms > > cake-diffserv=diffserv4 cake-flowmode=triple-isolate cake-nat=yes > > cake-wash=no cake-ack-filter=none > > >It looks like your provisioned rate was closer to 120. Try 110. > > I increased the bandwidth as seen above. We'll see how that behaves! LGTM. 105 perhaps. Or 115. Try it during netflix hours. > > > Hopefully those settings are configured somewhat decently. Hope that helps! > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:51 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > goferit! We have flent servers throughout the world, mostly undocumented. I tend to prefer folk setup their own, less noise in the data.... > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > Dave Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > recently > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 16:18 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-10 17:51 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:05 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:18 ` Jordan Szuch 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: dallas.starlink.taht.net On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > recently > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:05 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:18 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 1:23 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 1:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: dallas.starlink.taht.net On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > recently > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:18 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 1:23 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:31 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:37 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try 105 on the down? Or less? On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > > Taht > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > recently > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:23 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:31 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:37 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat This, btw, is one of my favorite songs about what it takes to ship quality software. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KowAEqHpftI always a good background track. On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try > 105 on the down? Or less? > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > > > Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > recently > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:23 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:31 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:37 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:41 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 1:54 ` Jordan Szuch 1 sibling, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try > 105 on the down? Or less? > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > > > Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > recently > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:37 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:41 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 1:54 ` Jordan Szuch 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 1:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try > 105 on the down? Or less? > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > Dave Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > recently > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:37 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 1:41 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 1:54 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 2:05 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 2:30 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 1:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break 😃 -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM To: 'Dave Taht' <dave.taht@gmail.com> Cc: 'Cake List' <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; 'bloat' <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try > 105 on the down? Or less? > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > Dave Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > recently > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:54 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 2:05 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 2:30 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 2:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat If you'd like to try htb+fq_codel for the same parameters, and repeat for 5 minutes? Also repeat the baseline test for that long?, and call it a day? then we can hit the mikrotik forums tomorrow.... Have two more songs to help pass the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjur0RG-v-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTUcoR8_pyE On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break 😃 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > To: 'Dave Taht' <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Cc: 'Cake List' <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; 'bloat' <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > > Dave Taht > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 1:54 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 2:05 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 2:30 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 2:41 ` Jordan Szuch 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 2:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat btw, is the variability I'm seeing on this run possibily due to playing the song? (part of my intent with the rrul test was to also playout other forms of traffic) On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break 😃 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > To: 'Dave Taht' <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Cc: 'Cake List' <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; 'bloat' <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. try > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > > Dave Taht > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 2:30 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 2:41 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-11 2:59 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 2:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Quite possibly, as I was running the songs. Although I'm not the only person using the Internet at my location so the network definitely hasn't been completely quiet while those tests were running. There was probably Netflix/Youtube/Spotify traffic going while any of the tests have been running. There should be a Run #5 for cake, fq_codel, and baseline (no SQM) available. I left it as Run #5 for each test just to indicate they were run around the same time. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:30 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments btw, is the variability I'm seeing on this run possibily due to playing the song? (part of my intent with the rrul test was to also playout other forms of traffic) On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break 😃 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > To: 'Dave Taht' <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Cc: 'Cake List' <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; 'bloat' > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. > > try > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > > Dave Taht > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and > > > > > cake recently > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 2:41 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 2:59 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-11 3:24 ` Jordan Szuch 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 2:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat well the rrul_be test would be more comparable to the htb+fqcodel test. or... i have no idea how to do a 3 tier sqm like model in microtik On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 7:41 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Quite possibly, as I was running the songs. Although I'm not the only person using the Internet at my location so the network definitely hasn't been completely quiet while those tests were running. There was probably Netflix/Youtube/Spotify traffic going while any of the tests have been running. > > There should be a Run #5 for cake, fq_codel, and baseline (no SQM) available. I left it as Run #5 for each test just to indicate they were run around the same time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:30 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > btw, is the variability I'm seeing on this run possibily due to playing the song? (part of my intent with the rrul test was to also playout other forms of traffic) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break 😃 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > > To: 'Dave Taht' <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Cc: 'Cake List' <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; 'bloat' > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... > > > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test for > > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. > > > try > > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of > > > > > > Dave Taht > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and > > > > > > cake recently > > > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 2:59 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 3:24 ` Jordan Szuch 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 3:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Yeah, I'm not sure either. At least at the moment anyway. I did go ahead and run rrul_be with CAKE enabled just for the sake of doing it. It's available with all the other runs and if it's helpful then great. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments well the rrul_be test would be more comparable to the htb+fqcodel test. or... i have no idea how to do a 3 tier sqm like model in microtik On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 7:41 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > Quite possibly, as I was running the songs. Although I'm not the only person using the Internet at my location so the network definitely hasn't been completely quiet while those tests were running. There was probably Netflix/Youtube/Spotify traffic going while any of the tests have been running. > > There should be a Run #5 for cake, fq_codel, and baseline (no SQM) available. I left it as Run #5 for each test just to indicate they were run around the same time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:30 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > btw, is the variability I'm seeing on this run possibily due to > playing the song? (part of my intent with the rrul test was to also > playout other forms of traffic) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break 😃 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > > To: 'Dave Taht' <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Cc: 'Cake List' <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; 'bloat' > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this out, so it's all good. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) cloud or at spectrum... > > > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test > > for > > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. > > > try > > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be sufficient? > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > > > > > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf > > > > > > Of Dave Taht > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > > > > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and > > > > > > cake recently > > > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 16:05 ` [Cake] [Bloat] " Jordan Szuch 2021-10-10 16:11 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-14 17:08 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-14 18:27 ` Jordan Szuch 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-14 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: Cake List, bloat Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some reason. But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their bigger iron... On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake recently > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-14 17:08 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-14 18:27 ` Jordan Szuch 2021-10-14 22:18 ` Thomas Croghan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-14 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'Cake List', 'bloat' Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my day to day work. Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it looks like. Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKG_cXGPrE&t=4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1QitymNZTo&t=4285s), although one host was a bit skeptical of everything. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some reason. But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their bigger iron... On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > recently > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-14 18:27 ` Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-14 22:18 ` Thomas Croghan 2021-10-14 22:33 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Thomas Croghan @ 2021-10-14 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Cake List [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4499 bytes --] Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz ARM64). I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake < cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get > notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my > day to day work. > > Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mailing > list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have some > bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it looks > like. > > Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or > evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast > with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty > clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped > onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. > > Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up being > very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit > scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKG_cXGPrE&t=4444s). Actually, I think > they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1QitymNZTo&t=4285s), although one host > was a bit skeptical of everything. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM > To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 > > I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back to > the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I > have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and > make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some > reason. > > But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their > bigger iron... > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit > (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some > testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a > little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems > functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and > WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information > about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy > to help out. > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > > Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > > recently > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 7426 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-14 22:18 ` Thomas Croghan @ 2021-10-14 22:33 ` Dave Taht 2021-10-15 15:17 ` Thomas Croghan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-14 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Croghan; +Cc: Cake List On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan@lostcreek.tech> wrote: > > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz ARM64). The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize. > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back. I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!! https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/ is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show? I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea. After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie." so far, he hasn't called. BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some new jokes and analogies.... > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my day to day work. >> >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it looks like. >> >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. >> >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKG_cXGPrE&t=4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1QitymNZTo&t=4285s), although one host was a bit skeptical of everything. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM >> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> >> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: >> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 >> >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some reason. >> >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their bigger iron... >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Dave, >> > >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. >> > >> > Jordan >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave >> > Taht >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM >> > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat >> > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> > >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake >> > recently >> > >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 >> > >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? >> > >> > -- >> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw >> > >> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bloat mailing list >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bloat mailing list >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> >> >> -- >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-14 22:33 ` Dave Taht @ 2021-10-15 15:17 ` Thomas Croghan 2021-10-27 21:56 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Thomas Croghan @ 2021-10-15 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Cake List [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6883 bytes --] I listened to you on Modem, Nick is pretty involved with us on TBW, but Modem is his own thing. While there's some overlap I'd suspect that we have a diverse enough listener base that you should get some new ears. But I totally get not wanting to waste your time talking to the same audience. I'll see about what I will need to do to setup a proper test suite to get usable data. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan@lostcreek.tech> > wrote: > > > > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering > of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting > data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz > ARM64). > > The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock > a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but > I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize. > > > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can > set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some > conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back. > > I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!! > > https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/ > > is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show? > > I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that > the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea. > > After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind > of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself > after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, > perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from > bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie." > > so far, he hasn't called. > > BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche > mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart > > So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast > on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple > opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some > new jokes and analogies.... > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake < > cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get > notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my > day to day work. > >> > >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the > mailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have > some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it > looks like. > >> > >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or > evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast > with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty > clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped > onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. > >> > >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up > being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit > scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKG_cXGPrE&t=4444s). Actually, I think > they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1QitymNZTo&t=4285s), although one host > was a bit skeptical of everything. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM > >> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> > >> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > >> > >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: > >> > >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 > >> > >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back > to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook > I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and > make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some > reason. > >> > >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their > bigger iron... > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Dave, > >> > > >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a > unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do > some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a > little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems > functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and > WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information > about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy > to help out. > >> > > >> > Jordan > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave > >> > Taht > >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > >> > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat > >> > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > >> > > >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > >> > recently > >> > > >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > >> > > >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > >> > > >> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bloat mailing list > >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bloat mailing list > >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > >> > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cake mailing list > >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cake mailing list > > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 11124 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-15 15:17 ` Thomas Croghan @ 2021-10-27 21:56 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-27 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Croghan; +Cc: Cake List On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 8:17 AM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan@lostcreek.tech> wrote: > > I listened to you on Modem, Nick is pretty involved with us on TBW, but Modem is his own thing. While there's some overlap I'd suspect that we have a diverse enough listener base that you should get some new ears. But I totally get not wanting to waste your time talking to the same audience. I think enough new stuff has happened to have things worth talking about in late november or early december. I can discuss some potential new-ish topics offlist. > I'll see about what I will need to do to setup a proper test suite to get usable data. Particularly if we can get good data back from the mikrotik beta! Flent is our goto tool of course. Rrul tests are generally a quick start. > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan@lostcreek.tech> wrote: >> > >> > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz ARM64). >> >> The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock >> a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but >> I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize. >> >> > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back. >> >> I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!! >> >> https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/ >> >> is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show? >> >> I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that >> the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea. >> >> After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind >> of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself >> after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, >> perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from >> bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie." >> >> so far, he hasn't called. >> >> BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche >> mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart >> >> So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast >> on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple >> opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some >> new jokes and analogies.... >> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my day to day work. >> >> >> >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it looks like. >> >> >> >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKG_cXGPrE&t=4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1QitymNZTo&t=4285s), although one host was a bit skeptical of everything. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM >> >> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> >> >> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> >> >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> >> >> >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: >> >> >> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 >> >> >> >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some reason. >> >> >> >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their bigger iron... >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi Dave, >> >> > >> >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out. >> >> > >> >> > Jordan >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave >> >> > Taht >> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM >> >> > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat >> >> > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> >> >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments >> >> > >> >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake >> >> > recently >> >> > >> >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 >> >> > >> >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw >> >> > >> >> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Bloat mailing list >> >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Bloat mailing list >> >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw >> >> >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Cake mailing list >> >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cake mailing list >> > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> >> >> >> -- >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-10 15:39 [Cake] some mikrotik comments Dave Taht 2021-10-10 16:05 ` [Cake] [Bloat] " Jordan Szuch @ 2021-10-11 0:53 ` Thomas Croghan 2021-10-11 1:16 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Thomas Croghan @ 2021-10-11 0:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Cake List, bloat [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 943 bytes --] I've been running fq_codel for a couple weeks and initial tests are positive. Untill rc4 I was having crashing issues on anything with less then a gig of RAM Mikrotik, but I have it running now on multiple devices in my lab. I could probably run a few tests if you're interested. So far I've seen really good results limiting up to 2.4 Gbps to multiple endpoints on the CCR line from my testing. On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 8:39 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake recently > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1688 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [Cake] some mikrotik comments 2021-10-11 0:53 ` [Cake] " Thomas Croghan @ 2021-10-11 1:16 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2021-10-11 1:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Croghan; +Cc: Cake List, bloat In the fq_codel case mikrotik seems to have missed a patch that openwrt carries to reduce the memlimit to 4MB. I don't mind, because the default is designed to scale past 10GB, and mikrotik hw does that, but in the case of memory limited routers, tons of shapers, and sub gbit speeds, it pays to tell fq_codel to use a max of 4MB. cake autoscales here. On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:53 PM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan@lostcreek.tech> wrote: > > I've been running fq_codel for a couple weeks and initial tests are positive. Untill rc4 I was having crashing issues on anything with less then a gig of RAM Mikrotik, but I have it running now on multiple devices in my lab. > > I could probably run a few tests if you're interested. So far I've seen really good results limiting up to 2.4 Gbps to multiple endpoints on the CCR line from my testing. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 8:39 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake recently >> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000 >> >> anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? >> >> -- >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
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