From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Ryan Mounce <ryan@mounce.com.au>
Cc: Arie <nospam@ariekanarie.nl>, Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 07:56:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw7k1FZFaVW3SUvLhASh7rqrA_awXwd0VLaqiV0JZJD+Fg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN+fvRZ78KMCEtSBx9ogJVZ0ym_M5AP4Bc1k4KTYRxBTn0e2og@mail.gmail.com>
Great info, thx. Using this opportunity to rant about city-wid
networks, I'd have done something so different
than what the governments and ISPs have inflicted on us, substituting
redundancy for reliability.
I'd have used bog standard ethernet over fiber instead of gpon. The
only advantages to gpon were that it was a standard normal folk
(still) can't use, it offered encryption to the co-lo, and the gpon
splitter at the neighborhood cabinett could be unpowered, and a
telco-like design could be made telco-level reliable.Theoretically. In
reality it constrains the market and raises the price of gpon capable
gear enormously, thus creating a cost for the isp and a healthy profit
margin for the fiber vendor.
Neighborhood cabinets would be cross connected north, east, west,
south, uplink1, uplink2, thus rendering the entire network immune to
fiber cuts and other disruptions of service and allowing competition
for service from multiple isps. Fiber or copper or wireless (cell) to
the building from there. Your neighbor would be one hop away. Local
cellular or wifi would spring out of smaller towers distributed above
those cabinets.
Lest you think I'm entirely insane, that's how amsterdam's network was
built out 10+ years ago.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/03/how-amsterdam-was-wired-for-open-access-fiber/
I'd have avoided MPLS, and gone with something like 64xlat to deal
with the ipv4 distribution problem. There'd be a secure routing
protocol holding the city-wide network together. And there'd be
ponies. Lots of ponies.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-23 14:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-21 16:09 Dave Taht
2018-07-21 17:20 ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-07-21 17:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-07-21 17:44 ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-07-21 17:47 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 18:17 ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-07-21 18:20 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 18:23 ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-07-21 20:01 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 20:24 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-07-21 20:36 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 21:17 ` Arie
2018-07-21 21:37 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 22:13 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 22:28 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 23:10 ` Arie
2018-07-23 6:50 ` Ryan Mounce
2018-07-23 14:56 ` Dave Taht [this message]
2018-07-23 15:26 ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-07-23 15:43 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-23 16:45 ` Tristan Seligmann
2018-07-23 20:47 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-23 15:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-07-23 17:32 ` Benjamin Cronce
[not found] ` <CAA93jw7hPG5oGyKaCL69p9Sbf7BckAZzh-p8C0jU+QXF9she1A@mail.gmail.com>
2018-07-24 1:31 ` Ryan Mounce
2018-07-24 2:17 ` Ryan Mounce
2018-07-24 2:29 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-24 2:50 ` Ryan Mounce
2018-07-24 8:15 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-07-24 13:51 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-24 14:54 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-07-24 15:19 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-24 18:05 ` Tristan Seligmann
2018-07-24 18:08 ` Tristan Seligmann
2018-07-24 17:58 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-07-24 19:38 ` Pete Heist
2018-07-24 20:44 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-24 22:23 ` Pete Heist
2018-07-24 22:29 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-24 22:43 ` Pete Heist
2018-07-21 17:24 ` Arie
2018-07-21 17:27 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 17:36 ` Arie
2018-07-21 17:45 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 17:55 ` Arie
2018-07-21 18:02 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 18:23 ` Arie
[not found] ` <CAA93jw64CbM9DmtHM2aRbFBb3TUepSAK2JRmcDZHZ6kUkJB1Jg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-07-21 18:38 ` [Cake] policers, finally Dave Taht
2018-07-21 18:45 ` Dave Taht
2018-08-04 7:53 ` [Cake] Policers Dave Taht
2018-07-21 17:28 ` [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno Georgios Amanakis
2018-07-21 17:42 ` Dave Taht
2018-07-21 19:57 ` [Cake] [Cerowrt-devel] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-24 2:36 ` [Cake] " Dave Taht
2018-07-24 4:17 ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-07-22 9:57 ` Pete Heist
2018-07-22 10:29 ` Sebastian Moeller
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