From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48D623B29E for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p23-v6so1233483qtn.6 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 14:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qR9vnoYFz8+bU0UaYHw9RVp9Ofnq16TJAFpMCfhVALU=; b=g97/RrvHjAK4MlJFk59GJle3hzjJ5idUA4N3CcWkoqnGXOeBqupN4RTZS6nEPMo8/U A+LOXdjyiuAP8mJ/+H8xaM1r5VaLSgRZBmv85H1v8/oTDg7e9LNQhrFg3SE7+jvdWsxN G/cHeEfEBBMIgiu/Q+WQNIxG+EG+slSzY1ul3XB4Dh2F/XAekTy1Cn+Vi9LvZZLYcHPV uvErCICajyyPKyfjB839mA5OF2iELZtPu3Lovh/5osBvxWVWfXukyTLf61e4CFOXpojv nEvnsfe+IvqRzbtlsR43KBOGkSJ2b8RVpIW8JOv62PrlHdOW5Di7H9EGWk33kdu5pDrK l62A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qR9vnoYFz8+bU0UaYHw9RVp9Ofnq16TJAFpMCfhVALU=; b=bhgnaulszt1t/WFtIqj76xuGTjRjW2Tk3RnbsawHDWwFgJrYC1mJ+oKTKr1Hpgoyi6 fLjuYzWxcJVaa32Jcj3xdXXyLbLB/vAYc3MlHTeQpsPW2B3yO/4WjfcK7CActmtfjrHK 0UnTiZ5exB3M5Js3LJwYUkU/HlDSqbqdn0j6Vl+jRLzY+cFAQQxbwyUEEfVoWDf3/20w FaTZJXuY8V+9+/pb2KfInSawa/bUm3TNNGO/DSQGWW0UVcHvDaUASpmVnJGz/r05kK0/ 2qE6LLJwawsC/fbmiLLBruj7hGget3aFmOkm62Eg4ksBhMEMoXsL8/jJ6+5UxZ7G0xVK Eobw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1aEpokJEeTVrIaQK5e7Vs0M2MxB0z6gTkzVxkDac+rL6YieTIb 75WI1RKOJ7uJm98oNx6Vf1emzmYvtZTAxPlExfw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLxfkM3CcXG0ujsiBIo5ZRVc0OWfb7ketUmQCG9YjEq54b68gr2hJ7FImw7Jg5YuBhK8o0++ZYoY5j2DW2WyKc= X-Received: by 2002:aed:24fb:: with SMTP id u56-v6mr16959326qtc.203.1529444888887; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:aed:24f0:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <30FC3100-FD44-425F-BA42-ED432F816201@gmail.com> References: <87in6ft81g.fsf@toke.dk> <0FF888EC-4FF0-4AAE-B2B8-79A10B0B5A9E@gmail.com> <877emvt2ij.fsf@toke.dk> <6D5348AC-921E-49D3-B6D0-9CC30874B80D@heistp.net> <1CC8F6F6-94E1-4987-928E-29BDE01787BC@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <280044CA-F23B-4FF5-83DE-ECCAC05AAA3B@heistp.net> <30FC3100-FD44-425F-BA42-ED432F816201@gmail.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 14:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton Cc: Pete Heist , Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:48:09 -0000 On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Jonathan Morton wr= ote: >> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >> >> I don=E2=80=99t think we can do much better than =E2=80=9Cit makes your = Internet faster=E2=80=9D, which is what most people want > > s/faster/reliable/ > > It would be really nice to be able to say "go out and buy this box, plug = it in and run through the setup wizard" instead of "go through the frankly = scary process of reflashing your router with OpenWRT". In that case we mig= ht really get some traction. Faster and more reliable is a good catchphrase. Here's eero's implementation of sqm: https://www.macobserver.com/tips/quick-tip/enable-sqm-eero-wifi-mesh-networ= k/ > - Jonathan Morton > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619