From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BA2B3BA8E for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id a142so16255656qkb.5 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:42:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KBmLNzDS923lqp+vlZuZrasIyN9tgdNdr91j+6Un+Zo=; b=RGcdE0tRVQSzIZbimDW0jpjoXlRlRbAt61blvtu21qvWPCZEu6iejkWpL0PgNr0+5b cBiv67LT+eoVPOV7Rmy8R/dlqnqs+CavonjfnaJeOD0scR8/kj03zAUUwut8QsEUfTW9 5YjG0+QlXlZNorY7k1m4fP2BHwjwnZn5rKZ2QkruB7t6VgRlbYZRc4gRbWfogYHkWN6W CYVRj2eFNgMuz3LFvU41F1vxpBLFJCex/iDvOYjOTgMDCRJ0stIIR6mn+M7i6AyHZqPo zYzUc+W3dULsT+ZKgv+HkXztn0eg+9Z0YftZonCj+A+Sr+z9UFKGiuRboyBAKp/ZDrPT Rgqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KBmLNzDS923lqp+vlZuZrasIyN9tgdNdr91j+6Un+Zo=; b=nLE2JHgaQ2SyNMdskLM0xDY6FMzILAuKL8uz01RgVnDQnyjG0rpU0XC9CmbE3pNiyX zkLuIr/nCAdi1lys7ctG1f03A0tkpiHbGvqK/XEjvK6dlT/50QfGDV4fvjtAPDoksLus VKpeqgnBg+17a3xvV2/PXx1u7oxe8A2PxfqvU4/u0JRS4t2enk3OVWNVSEdpTzOpuQY9 VyX57qZFhm+goYJnMgRcGs4jsFSbuem6ROX4p1el5rbobyjVNzvR9ZriwQO3xfru+HjP cr3DCSGnockF8E/Ou8SZeCeXvFL+aIqUevaGUJbvnRMRb7+kZ45fOqgqlM/jfqkmEb+q GEIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5481RsVhyJ8Nu0ZxqfEjiaMJrwp3jCetsjm28Url4LrbFa6be6 2dYls89KBNvH6+heOv6+X1ufpEo5ngJ+ITtR8Ls= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMap4DQAEq3B5PAtnBHGJGRVT/eEpnXfTwj52l92MYOtCXJm6GUoL3bvcKlJvCv/zFTtCeK2xsoFtb9wj8UXxWY= X-Received: by 10.55.176.68 with SMTP id z65mr8215931qke.75.1510461732915; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:42:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.193.93 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:42:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:42:12 -0800 Message-ID: To: George Amanakis Cc: Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Cake] Donation X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 04:42:13 -0000 Thank you for your kind thoughts of a donation but that page is long obsolete. There are both patreon and gofundme pages, but they were both focused on wifi. There isn't anything specific to cake, and perhaps there should be. The funds should be directed at the people doing the work, rather than me. Or perhaps we could do a funding drive or something like that. I'm not too enthused about the results of the donations model, but every little bit counts! Currently: https://www.patreon.com/dtaht brings in 156 dollars a month, out of which the bufferbloat project's current expenses are 60 (80?) or so for servers. Expenses used to be MUCH higher than what we took in. Hardware was the least of it. I funded a fat server in google's cloud to build openwrt and later, lede, for a very, very long time, among other things, after the relevant google grant expired and we needed to keep the servers humming. We did a HUGE funding drive (by these standards) to fight the FCC, with great results in terms of PR: https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi And spent it all on PR... And we won that battle. I sometimes think we should establish an organization, with a board of directors, a bank account, etc, but aside from grant money, donated computers and computer time, and all the massive efforts of all the volunteers, that's most of the donations we've ever got, and it would be, at least, 800 bucks to start a non-profit, + an accountant to "do right". I've explored leveraging several other orgs, like SPI. I helped start icei.org, and currently I sit on the board of https://commonsconservancy.org/ , but remain puzzled about how to get the level of microfinancing to people that need it, when they need it. I'm impressed by the shuttleworth flash grant program, and by the work of nlnet, both of whom wrote some right sized (5-20k) checks at crucial junctures of the bufferbloat projects. Any and all thoughts as to how to do better are welcomed. We could have a bake sale for cake, to get it mainlined.