From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw0-x22f.google.com (mail-yw0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9ADC3B29E for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id v131-v6so4341068ywg.2 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=targointernet-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wq07VJuyowJ67jlMpTKekz9ivVMcQF9kcNPDFgznNDA=; b=aXv114M6d/P6SdQQHmzXOSW7tgIEGydLjmQTNnhVqcSCSZpeE5pAJjdqUfV3jZERCX KE/4m4JwvD3076JaUS49fZMDCYkl4dD5E8e4KAF9Ng0qBtpTuZ/MLBS8TcpjGiyYmblg gpHonAYiB1xdIeZrwThkTMaGzdqDYIMQPOH1SLR0Qd/0xBVFyUo02zg6yybdB0dZYoJz j4pgbKNBtFAnafCLKY8fiRwvIVe4mxKqp6A8CMBqvsOIqKAO82oEK3HAF6r7KxW1/Esf pTdlA6oGk2eoY3+dV3SuFFKajElpgL8BWkfQCkYCZUVXmtbDY6wu734UHXLg/BQDp2Sm lRuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=wq07VJuyowJ67jlMpTKekz9ivVMcQF9kcNPDFgznNDA=; b=ImwFrivwtIoTDOCh/iC5+72A2RdvqJ+ngvS9c6UU2MrOlKyQFBocHy4znBO5pKAfLW rZHQ4++3D1ci0coUUDaHHz4XUeJmh7VfsudjuyCfQw54l5u2HHPOBgzu9rmHCik+s5kf DPhrobiOarhIEtQ0lexIK0SBGForht8nxNcOOu2l8qmLwt5ukKQwNj4Eq1IsecCWyQwj omsSrrJpy8Hu0PHocyqy5AiN1OMahmQmYiwRnw0LCI/kRge3oA6zpEIewzjPb1z+0+/U 7eDP+yANdwX7yff9uWuLbSXXwju1Itq8GLNLpz/t2KNiIRtyzrtXf5EsL6KnkLqFgq0q YugQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2iPGJ9Hs4psCxHEdw9d1RKxRhbOoouwjudyCVm5GGQwCcoTpvA Q+1T9A7eh4UVICD4LooaBF0v4eWuXuIL//npanFutAeg X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLqBbldDBfGiyuxORS6VOvNhziqeCsFn956n8Ac9N7L306Vx5kHsfM0AR6Rmoeiu6V5FO8eaLSU7EnJ+ytlJ5E= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:cf41:: with SMTP id r62-v6mr3084641ywd.473.1529163219909; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a81:7107:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [96.125.192.62] In-Reply-To: References: <87wov5hzvq.fsf@toke.dk> <20180611125425.792d4dcc@xeon-e3> <6500246E-2382-48FD-8FC7-A15452D42042@heistp.net> From: Michel Blais Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: To: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000086d206056ec40e40" Subject: Re: [Cake] Bandwidith rate by host instead of global while using [dual-]srchost and [dual-]dsthost X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 15:33:40 -0000 --00000000000086d206056ec40e40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the answers. @ Toke I was not clear on my first message but what I have in mind isn't individual shaping but more like a bandwidth limit identical for every dst-host, something like 50 mb/s by dst-host for every host instead of a global 1 Gb/s or 10 Gb/s without limit for everyone. @Dave Put a linux box before telecommunication hardware is what I had in mind. I will give a try with veth interfaces by customer. As for network device, I personnaly think the objectif should then be to convice network chipset maker like Microchip, Cavium, Freescale, Broadcom, etc. Ubnt all over this stuff ? Don't want to burst your bubble but airmax (test on M serie) use HTB + SFQ if traffic shaping is configured but default pfifo_fast if no traffic shaping is configured. On gen 2 AC, still pfifo without traffic shaping but don't know when traffic shaping is configured but I'm pretty sure it would be the same. I pretty sure airfiber line is also fifo only. I know codel is support in the edgemax router line but not compatible with cpu offload so won't be use by most except on X serie (line without cpu offload) that is often use as home/small office router. I doubt any WISP (Ubnt main market) using Edgerouter for routing would activate codel since it would hurt badly forwarding performance. Anyway, just like for CMTS, WISP bottleneck is the wireless radio, not the router. --- Cordialement, / With regards, Michel Blais 2018-06-12 14:55 GMT-04:00 Dave Taht : > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:55 PM, Pete Heist wrote: > > > > On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:17 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > I long ago ran out of motivation and money to continue working on > > bufferbloat. It's fixed enough, > > for those that care. It's on enough devices (more every day) now to > > give those that succeed some market advantage. > > > > > > Any thoughts on worthy work beyond bloat? > > I gave into despair when the shuttleworth grant didn't come through > last year. I'm glad y'all keep slogging on. > > I started at this as a third world problem. Living in the first world > is thus far proving too expensive. > Unless I get my act together on $dayjob soon even moving back to > Nicaragua will be impossible. (and Nica is currently very dicy > politically) > > I'm still primarily motivated by fixing the internet outside the usa. > My daydream, once I had > enough cash in the bank or some (say, 50k) maintenence level of > income, was to sail > from pacific island to pacific island, updating uplinks along the way, > finishing up writing a few papers, > contemplating some other currently insoluable networking problems - > like routing. > > These days... I don't know. I'm at a cusp. If I keep failing at dayjob > for another month I'll try to find something > outside this field entirely. Last year, being dead broke, I did > construction for a while. It was good for me. > > > Heaving cake over the transom is the "last" thing. And after 18 > > versions in the last round, toke's fried, I'm fried, everybody's > > fried. I'm very happy it started cracking 40gbits, stumped at the bug > > stopping us. > > > > > > I wish I could even reproduce that, then I=E2=80=99d at least take a ca= veman > > approach to solving it. > > > > I *am* going to washington DC week after next for the lanman2018 > > > > presentation of cake, and perhaps I'll find a way to raise some hell > > with the FCC, congress, or the FTC (suggestions wanted), but... > > > > > > Please do. > > The only idea I have at the moment is to stand outside the ftc's offices = in > a zoot suit with guitar and empty violin case. > > > > > I feel we need a re-decentralization of the Internet=E2=80=99s infrastr= ucture and > > services, and the FCC=E2=80=99s actions are not helping. I=E2=80=99m no= t sure how to get > > that across when the only language spoken is money. > > Obama's FTC seemed like a better place than the FCC for many issues. > > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CEO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-669-226-2619 > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > --00000000000086d206056ec40e40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the answers.

@ Toke

I was not clear on my= first message but what I have in mind isn't individual shaping but mor= e like a bandwidth limit identical for every dst-host, something like 50 mb= /s by dst-host for every host instead of a global 1 Gb/s or 10 Gb/s without= limit for everyone.

@Dave

Put a linux box before telecommu= nication hardware is what I had in mind. I will give a try with veth interf= aces by customer.

As for network device, I personnaly think the obje= ctif should then be to convice network chipset maker like Microchip, Cavium= , Freescale, Broadcom, etc.

Ubnt all over this stuff ? Don't wan= t to burst your bubble but airmax (test on M serie) use HTB + SFQ if traffi= c shaping is configured but default pfifo_fast if no traffic shaping is con= figured. On gen 2 AC, still pfifo without traffic shaping but don't kno= w when traffic shaping is configured but I'm pretty sure it would be th= e same. I pretty sure airfiber line is also fifo only. I know codel is supp= ort in the edgemax router line but not compatible with cpu offload so won&#= 39;t be use by most except on X serie (line without cpu offload) that is of= ten use as home/small office router. I doubt any WISP (Ubnt main market) us= ing Edgerouter for routing would activate codel since it would hurt badly f= orwarding performance. Anyway, just like for CMTS, WISP bottleneck is the w= ireless radio, not the router.
---
<= div>
Cordialement,=C2=A0 /= =C2=A0 With regards,

Michel Blais

2018-06-12 14:55 GMT-04:00 Dave Taht <dave.taht= @gmail.com>:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:55 PM, Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net> wrote:
>
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:17 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I long ago ran out of motivation and money to continue working on
> bufferbloat. It's fixed enough,
> for those that care. It's on enough devices (more every day) now t= o
> give those that succeed some market advantage.
>
>
> Any thoughts on worthy work beyond bloat?

I gave into despair when the shuttleworth grant didn't come thro= ugh
last year. I'm glad y'all keep slogging on.

I started at this as a third world problem. Living in the first world
is thus far proving too expensive.
Unless I get my act together on $dayjob soon even moving back to
Nicaragua will be impossible. (and Nica is currently very dicy
politically)

I'm still primarily motivated by fixing the internet outside the usa. My daydream, once I had
enough cash in the bank or some (say, 50k) maintenence level of
income,=C2=A0 was to sail
from pacific island to pacific island, updating uplinks along the way,
finishing up writing a few papers,
contemplating some other currently insoluable networking problems -
like routing.

These days... I don't know. I'm at a cusp. If I keep failing at day= job
for another month I'll try to find something
outside this field entirely. Last year, being dead broke, I did
construction for a while. It was good for me.

> Heaving cake over the transom is the "last" thing. And after= 18
> versions in the last round, toke's fried, I'm fried, everybody= 's
> fried. I'm very happy it started cracking 40gbits, stumped at the = bug
> stopping us.
>
>
> I wish I could even reproduce that, then I=E2=80=99d at least take a c= aveman
> approach to solving it.
>
> I *am* going to washington DC week after next for the lanman2018
>
> presentation of cake, and perhaps I'll find a way to raise some he= ll
> with the FCC, congress, or the FTC (suggestions wanted), but...
>
>
> Please do.

The only idea I have at the moment is to stand outside the ftc's= offices in
a zoot suit with guitar and empty violin case.

>
> I feel we need a re-decentralization of the Internet=E2=80=99s infrast= ructure and
> services, and the FCC=E2=80=99s actions are not helping. I=E2=80=99m n= ot sure how to get
> that across when the only language spoken is money.

Obama's FTC seemed like a better place than the FCC for many iss= ues.



--

Dave T=C3=A4ht
CEO, TekLibre, LLC
ht= tp://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-669-226-2619
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