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From: Georgios Amanakis <gamanakis@gmail.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>,
	"Cake List" <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cake] A few puzzling Cake results
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 16:34:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACvFP_j_Z=1MraKE6wVn-M89o9iEp2SBcG6QC1ei-Vn=0ixJAQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw6sh-vtufR0-U92RL7=WmYrg2eP4abV0VuhGJwP-hO_tg@mail.gmail.com>

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Would making it active only for the 'ingress' mode be an option?

Otherwise it has to be documented that when using ingress mode with lots of
bulk flows on <20mbit/s the actual goodput is going to be less than the set
one (eg for 9.8mbit/s set, 5.3 mbit/s actual).

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 12:25 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to revert this change.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk>
> wrote:
> > Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >>> On 18 Apr, 2018, at 6:17 pm, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought, in egress mode in the typical deployment we expect,
> >>> the bandwidth leading into cake will be >> than the bandwidth out of
> >>> cake, so I would argue that the package droppage might be acceptable
> >>> on egress as there is bandwidth to "waste" while on ingress the issue
> >>> very much is that all packets cake sees already used up parts of the
> >>> limited transfer time on the bottleneck link and hence are more
> >>> "precious", no? Users wanting this new behavior could still use the
> >>> ingress keyword even on egress interfaces?
> >>
> >> Broadly speaking, that should indeed counter most of the negative
> >> effects you'd expect from disabling this tweak in egress mode. But it
> >> doesn't really answer the question of whether there's a compelling
> >> *positive* reason to do so. I want to see a use case that holds up.
> >
> > What you're saying here is that you basically don't believe there are
> > any applications where a bulk TCP flow would also want low queueing
> > latency? :)
> >
> > -Toke
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>
>
>
> --
>
> Dave Täht
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-18 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-17  9:42 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 10:04 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 10:38   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 12:05     ` Y
     [not found]     ` <mailman.225.1523966725.3573.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2018-04-17 12:22       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 13:16         ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-17 13:50           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 13:47         ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 13:52         ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 14:25           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 14:54             ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 15:10               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 14:03 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-17 14:17   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 11:25     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 12:21       ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-04-18 12:57         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 13:13       ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 13:21         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 14:12       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 14:30         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 15:03           ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 15:17             ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-18 15:58               ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 16:11                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 16:25                   ` Dave Taht
2018-04-18 16:34                     ` Georgios Amanakis [this message]
2018-04-18 17:10                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-19  7:49                     ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-19  8:11                       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19  9:00                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19  9:21                           ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19  9:26                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19  9:55                               ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19 10:33                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19 11:55                                   ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-18 16:54                   ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 17:02                     ` Dave Taht
2018-04-18 18:06                       ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 18:11                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 18:16                           ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.238.1524075384.3573.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2018-04-19  8:31                             ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-04-18 18:11                     ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 19:53                     ` David Lang
2018-04-18 21:53                       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19  9:22                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19  9:32                           ` Jonathan Morton

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