From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x129.google.com (mail-lf1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 591863B2A4 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x129.google.com with SMTP id x27so42817220lfa.9 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:17:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lostcreek-tech.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=oFmq/v9AnANEZr4rTPhVQqgz8um0qXWcYHjNPhUQD5o=; b=FjRpPsN7Mvqc7YkkLtOAoJs4Vx0/Id6e2FcbKQQ07H4wTQjaQbrxiRAErkoWGKAEnp I7pttw2j8vuPpk9H8l4Bpnys5XaZl6BHRTRQ174SGzFGmgNUlvY6/Jx4misrNKA3jd+t Sd7wMmN5Ur1Q6V/6j2jxtrv/FyYudjNj92odH2Wy8TDJUehsO7uKf0Bt3c6KAdJV4eLP Qigf5mFgZN7d538hi54Z20AiKR9sfuBxLPtHS0EZGwCLS537G4GwR5zkh6Vpkm3OUaBj Lee6CEMc7t/2r70tJQipgvCERQFgL8s2nRzbLRN3UQGya0G4hzOkhyCD1oM8bjLWIxOM nTfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=oFmq/v9AnANEZr4rTPhVQqgz8um0qXWcYHjNPhUQD5o=; b=Twa2NNK3OV/btUkSwoz9UI7SQjyKeTBYh20tSbgJNBvqffXk5vLCSRQm0dLJaPlupu zDQlXyQ8kzk/W3uVDdsjU7hvQ00/luDPyY2LOgdR2j9UdZv9MbxiUODjUHFGsv4fECpF 2F6MDntHMz0YwWZIcXOjob20ZROVQCbSkziEOsPKfgVe8KH9oTH24NDqbO7WvcO8ddCr 2O+ucdQQObYtqZCqjlJT9UaZNbG/GwBfYhsGeds9fp0MCcvjgh/nWyvBRPljtS4FFLjY cSSlBMWB9qxjt5dkypBTu1Ya4HnylARIZn1VAMHJlzf/Mx0OXrXDuKjV9o7sdg1ig6dz VoVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533ov7iVg/oqPXQLo3vT/D9mx1aGClFGulEvLEpPDwhoi+xgXqnG 6XyVHctRHdUauzRCcGP6pvtQ+oxL9lTNqPdgJKykkSYZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzEfvvePESXybNrYhh65pKfrzpaBBnbtm+DwdlmpLsjtiV17PoFHYFFBlu5orP2hSxdk2Mu12jrII0qlneyzGU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:490:: with SMTP id s16mr13273173ljc.423.1634311043496; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:17:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003001d7bdf0$97282430$c5786c90$@inacomptc.com> <006001d7c129$2de82f10$89b88d30$@inacomptc.com> In-Reply-To: From: Thomas Croghan Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:17:11 -0700 Message-ID: Cc: Cake List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000033555005ce65b1c9" Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:17:25 -0000 --00000000000033555005ce65b1c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I listened to you on Modem, Nick is pretty involved with us on TBW, but Modem is his own thing. While there's some overlap I'd suspect that we have a diverse enough listener base that you should get some new ears. But I totally get not wanting to waste your time talking to the same audience. I'll see about what I will need to do to setup a proper test suite to get usable data. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 PM Dave Taht wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan > wrote: > > > > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering > of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting > data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz > ARM64). > > The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock > a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but > I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize. > > > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can > set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some > conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back. > > I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!! > > https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/ > > is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show? > > I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that > the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea. > > After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind > of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself > after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, > perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from > bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie." > > so far, he hasn't called. > > BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche > mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart > > So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast > on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple > opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some > new jokes and analogies.... > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake < > cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get > notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with = my > day to day work. > >> > >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the > mailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might ha= ve > some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning i= t > looks like. > >> > >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or > evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast > with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pret= ty > clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped > onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up. > >> > >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up > being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit > scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyFKG_cXGPrE&t=3D4444s). Actually, I thi= nk > they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ1QitymNZTo&t=3D4285s), although one ho= st > was a bit skeptical of everything. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dave Taht > >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM > >> To: Jordan Szuch > >> Cc: Cake List ; bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> > >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > >> > >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here: > >> > >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D179307 > >> > >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back > to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromeboo= k > I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email an= d > make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some > reason. > >> > >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test thei= r > bigger iron... > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Dave, > >> > > >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a > unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do > some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do = a > little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems > functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and > WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any informatio= n > about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happ= y > to help out. > >> > > >> > Jordan > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Bloat On Behalf Of Dave > >> > Taht > >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > >> > To: Cake List ; bloat > >> > > >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > >> > > >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake > >> > recently > >> > > >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000 > >> > > >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > >> > > >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bloat mailing list > >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bloat mailing list > >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > >> > >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cake mailing list > >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cake mailing list > > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwg= w > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > --00000000000033555005ce65b1c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I listened to you on Modem, Nick is pretty involved with = us on TBW, but Modem is his own thing. While there's some overlap I'= ;d suspect that we have a diverse enough listener base that you should get = some new ears. But I totally get not wanting to waste=C2=A0your time talkin= g to the same audience.

I'= ll see about what I will need to do to setup a proper test suite to get usa= ble data.=C2=A0
=

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.= taht@gmail.com> wrote:
On Th= u, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan@lostcreek.tech> w= rote:
>
> Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smatte= ring of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interestin= g data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz A= RM64).

The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock
a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but
I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize.
> I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cas= t I can set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some= conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back.

I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!!

https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/

is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show?

I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that
the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea.

After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy, perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from
bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie."

so far, he hasn't called.

BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche mission, and this: https://www.nasa.= gov/planetarydefense/dart

So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast
on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple
opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some
new jokes and analogies....

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll g= et notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy = with my day to day work.
>>
>> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the m= ailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have = some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it = looks like.
>>
>> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing = or evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.= com/ They run a podcast with a rotating cast of network operators, WISP= S, etc. And they seem pretty clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I = recall that you've jumped onto a podcast or two recently so that's = why I bring it up.
>>
>> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up= being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit = scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyFKG_cXGPrE&= ;t=3D4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an earlier e= pisode (found it: h= ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ1QitymNZTo&t=3D4285s), although o= ne host was a bit skeptical of everything.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM
>> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com> >> Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments
>>
>> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here:
>>
>> https://forum.mikr= otik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D179307
>>
>> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go = back to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chrome= book I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via e= mail and make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from = myself for some reason.
>>
>> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test = their bigger iron...
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Dave,
>> >
>> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked = up a unit (this one specifically: https://= mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. No= thing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to = do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed= tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If = you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particul= ar tests run then I'd be happy to help out.
>> >
>> > Jordan
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces@lis= ts.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave
>> > Taht
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM
>> > To: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.n= et>; bloat
>> > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments
>> >
>> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and c= ake
>> > recently
>> >
>> > https= ://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000
>> >
>> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies:
>> > https://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw
>> >
>> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bloat mailing list
>> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> > https://lists.buffe= rbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bloat mailing list
>> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> > https://lists.buffe= rbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw
>>
>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cake mailing list
>> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.= net/listinfo/cake
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cake mailing list
> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/= listinfo/cake



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