From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-it0-x22f.google.com (mail-it0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ABBF3B29F for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 01:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 4so153288327itv.0 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:57:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VDAyeV1K3CbNtm8OaSoaPafWp/UQK4U4RvI5TYgYeuU=; b=zwepKHPbUYMJosnpzrib7WcMOTZ/ASG6maVOvV9wKMVcIEdLQO/S6AF8c1C0gwAp1c 0HjqbxdFg0d/HMYmCi5qNZLjhpMJQfQ3YqfRdsN6MqndB2CTntnDkTsQDRsWVxFjJjku RkPSRx2nxl1xKH0x3YBUnASxAp7B32lRVWqdOhuO9BVbWrPujXPXEUxPA1WInLVFy69G MG2OaKxnGgcr/V2zDaWIDpNS0DSNUn6rLbBIHiNROR359XpPanhjCkPyajcJeT2SwGWv Anxo4cfRIx34AZXycfjWWYZtMNMzWVRIkyGugi7bH4hN6xgST3RsKVwoSIKX3o955L0G Z46g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VDAyeV1K3CbNtm8OaSoaPafWp/UQK4U4RvI5TYgYeuU=; b=BL9UxTW9JumRQtJnvOiNlp7/mUxHnsbA4gO1ZfQUUCgMlkrLjncjNL051Qpa8iBU1S cp5182do5s0GmISX1AlEve7OXSL/QzKOBizQwySYHMTKWee7iECZdrYTigRpnHtLnXTQ YE5hh+48pToGKV97/xwVwpwPs886vgbY03pJpS7PomqCvuc0kCWBwXhbLda881FsjWcf OCgEaAcqZpQ0Ney29/qb+JKTHLZPDeaDz0ZKkpzCjpmtAiTtCIaFhSvxC+37O9r89+XY NLCn28bLNEwSMlchD6YUULFSGIyj6RpmtMz4/LJcKYXQ8oty7a6/jGB77GGw5T3fKkGP 2Z6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmpMTWlY45En+4gYZM50f95x0JPhsy0kH4jq4c+/jjgr1c4fo3DtyVW7AYfvOMvwr83tORiWpTIMgFQ0A== X-Received: by 10.107.134.98 with SMTP id i95mr11662766iod.151.1476943027520; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:57:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.14.12 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:56:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <06273A79-CAEB-4981-9BEE-22939D333D66@gmail.com> <30DC0151-C918-4664-A1FE-9179E08DE833@gmail.com> <874m4xbyt4.fsf@toke.dk> <50625ff6-5baf-6c4b-6e1b-55d55a37c199@taht.net> From: Neil Shepperd Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 01:56:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ec86a8256aa053f45982a Subject: Re: [Cake] cake for net-next 4.8 X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 05:57:08 -0000 --001a113ec86a8256aa053f45982a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grr, looks like things are still getting spam-marked for me. I'll have to reopen the report with gmail... In the mean time, I suppose we'll have to keep fiddling with DKIM or turn off ipv6 again. Damnit, so close. On 4 October 2016 at 12:09, Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: > > > On 10/3/16 2:17 PM, Neil Shepperd wrote: > > Gmail spam team got back to me; they have apparently "fixed the > > problem", which I guess means messages here should stop being marked as > > spam soon. Because gmail's spam filters are top secret business, I > > couldn't tell you anything else :) > > It is great to have friends (in places high and low). Thank you! > > That said, I almost, but not quite, got the dkim stuff working the other > day - not that I can intuit that was the source of the problem! > > > > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 at 17:10 Dave T=C3=A4ht > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/30/16 1:37 PM, Neil Shepperd wrote: > > > Disabling ipv6 (at least in the mail server, in outgoing > direction) is > > > probably the easiest option... > > > > It looks like the simplest thing I could do to allow inbound while > > stopping outbound ipv6 would be to: > > > > /etc/postfix/main.cf : > > smtp_bind_address6 =3D ::1 > > > > > > > I see on most messages here DKIM-Signature headers apparently fro= m > > > gmail: "v=3D1; a=3Drsa-sha256; c=3Drelaxed/relaxed; d=3Dgmail.com > > > > > ; s=3D20120113;". These signatures are failing > because > > > of the added message footer. No sign of a DKIM-Signature > > > for lists.bufferbloat.net > > . You'd need to > > > set that up in the list MTA. > > > > Honestly my "email-fu" has declined considerably in recent years. > > Despite the apparent simplicity of this idea, my brain just crashed > > multiple times on setting it up with postfix + mailman 2. > > > > And thank you for poking so deeply into this, I was A) really > annoyed by > > the bloat-list-as-spam thing and B) clueless. > > > > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 at 15:42 Dave T=C3=A4ht > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/30/16 1:02 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > > > > Neil Shepperd > > >> > > > writes: > > > > > > > >> I think I have now accumulated enough spam/nonspam > > classified emails > > > >> to make a statistically signification observation: it seem= s > > like all > > > >> emails classified as spam from these lists were send from > ipv6: > > > >> > > > >> SPF: PASS with IP 2600:3c03:0:0:f03c:91ff:fe61:86ce > > > >> > > > >> All emails from bufferbloat.net > > lists > > > are failing DKIM (because of the > > > >> mailing list footer breaking the DKIM signature) which > > might be worth > > > >> fixing, and failing DMARC because all mailing lists fails > DMARC > > > >> (however google does not have a strict DMARC policy so tha= t > > shouldn't > > > >> matter, I hope). > > > >> > > > >> By the way, it's not just you, either. I have emails from > > others on > > > >> these lists in my spam folder. > > > >> > > > >> The distinguishing factor seems to be whether the email wa= s > > sent from > > > >> the lists.bufferbloat.net > > ipv6 > > > address. Unless this address > > > >> corresponds to some kind of tunnel broker possibly also > used by > > > >> spammers, I can only assume this is some kind of bug (afte= r > > all, it > > > >> was spf validated so the address shouldn't matter at that > > point?). > > > > > > > > Indeed, gmail requires extra measures for IPv6: > > > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126 (scroll down t= o > > > "Additional > > > > guidelines for IPv6"). > > > > > > > > Fixing DKIM might be worthwhile :) > > > > > > But it passes the spf check?? And the reverse lookup is > correct. > > > > > > How about I just disable ipv6? > > > > > > Have no idea why dkim doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > > -Toke > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Cake mailing list > > > > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > bufferbloat.net>> > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cake mailing list > > > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > > bufferbloat.net>> > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > > > --001a113ec86a8256aa053f45982a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Grr, looks like things are still getting spam-marked for m= e. I'll have to reopen the report with gmail... In the mean time, I sup= pose we'll have to keep fiddling with DKIM or turn off ipv6 again.
=
Damnit, so close.

On 4 October 2016 at 12:09, Dave T=C3=A4ht <dave@taht.net> wrote:

On 10/3/16 2:17 PM, Neil Shepperd wrote:
> Gmail spam team got back to me; they have apparently "fixed the > problem", which I guess means messages here should stop being mar= ked as
> spam soon. Because gmail's spam filters are top secret business, I=
> couldn't tell you anything else :)

It is great to have friends (in places high and low). Thank you!

That said, I almost, but not quite, got the dkim stuff working the other day - not that I can intuit that was the source of the problem!

>
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 at 17:10 Dave T=C3=A4ht <dave@taht.net
> <mailto:da= ve@taht.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 9/30/16 1:37 PM, Neil Shepperd wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Disabling ipv6 (at least in the mail server, i= n outgoing direction) is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> probably the easiest option...
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It looks like the simplest thing I could do to allo= w inbound while
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stopping outbound ipv6 would be to:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/etc/postfix/main.cf <http://main.cf>:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0smtp_bind_address6 = =3D ::1
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I see on most messages here DKIM-Signature hea= ders apparently from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> gmail: "v=3D1; a=3Drsa-sha256; c=3Drelaxe= d/relaxed; d=3Dgmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://gmail.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://gmail.com>; s=3D20120113;". Thes= e signatures are failing because
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of the added message footer. No sign of a DKIM= -Signature
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> for lists.bufferbloat.net <http= ://lists.bufferbloat.net>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://lists.bufferbloat.net>. Y= ou'd need to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> set that up in the list MTA.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Honestly my "email-fu" has declined consi= derably in recent years.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Despite the apparent simplicity of this idea, my br= ain just crashed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0multiple times on setting it up with postfix + mail= man 2.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And thank you for poking so deeply into this, I was= A) really annoyed by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the bloat-list-as-spam thing and B) clueless.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 at 15:42 Dave T=C3=A4ht &l= t;dave@taht.net
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:dave@ta= ht.net>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <mailto:dave@taht.net <mailto:dave@taht.net>>> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 9/30/16 1:02 AM, Toke H= =C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Neil Shepperd <nshepperd@gmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:nshepperd@gmail.com> <mailto:nshepperd@gmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:nshepperd@gmail.com>>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0writes:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I think I have now= accumulated enough spam/nonspam
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0classified emails
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> to make a statisti= cally signification observation: it seems
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0like all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> emails classified = as spam from these lists were send from ipv6:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> SPF: PASS with IP = 2600:3c03:0:0:f03c:91ff:fe61:86ce
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> All emails from buffe= rbloat.net <http://bufferbloat.net>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://bufferbloat.net> lists
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0are failing DKIM (because o= f the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> mailing list foote= r breaking the DKIM signature) which
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0might be worth
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> fixing, and failin= g DMARC because all mailing lists fails DMARC
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> (however google do= es not have a strict DMARC policy so that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0shouldn't
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> matter, I hope). >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> By the way, it'= ;s not just you, either. I have emails from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0others on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> these lists in my = spam folder.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> The distinguishing= factor seems to be whether the email was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sent from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> the lists.buffe= rbloat.net <http://lists.bufferbloat.net>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://lists.bufferbloat.net> ipv6 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0address. Unless this addres= s
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> corresponds to som= e kind of tunnel broker possibly also used by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> spammers, I can on= ly assume this is some kind of bug (after
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0all, it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> was spf validated = so the address shouldn't matter at that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0point?).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Indeed, gmail requires= extra measures for IPv6:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> htt= ps://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126 (scroll down to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Additional
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> guidelines for IPv6&qu= ot;).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Fixing DKIM might be w= orthwhile :)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But it passes the spf check= ?? And the reverse lookup is correct.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0How about I just disable ip= v6?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Have no idea why dkim doesn= 't work.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -Toke
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ______________________= _________________________
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>= >
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