From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x230.google.com (mail-qk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 153BC3B2AE for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id n189so110517489qke.0 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 23:34:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t1k/APA5GqJ1ZknsYPPTc90r9D++mfhbtwIbbiEuB0c=; b=FFcPzwyFZ5IPGJ8bW4gtNa5jbYQ7MUjxKnSudbkajaiKhaDtymcrLbJ1giKnl6iY6l pNSocjmY3qt5OIt1Ob23eZZ/5kPVhKvhUaf4T1f/6CvjBW+MgMfmsPUZjKwj4w049Z7R +OTqh4ZY76XjGPbPivF2zYNCQ+t7skFaJCrm96fo3VY6PLK6SRCqbE8PNTOOq9uDsgw3 I4OQLSmiyiIUi+H2Hbmj01DmZfh+12+fK03JNs04onx/J2Um5+tWaPfmuKTTFeKMm9OR FmVwsJ9th7oEw0klkpXAyx+8tbCMIRySU4bN5tDeGjBG+RX+yQipt5zEADuCwbzZ4P5d jlVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t1k/APA5GqJ1ZknsYPPTc90r9D++mfhbtwIbbiEuB0c=; b=J0W9TQjcwxVr8+6t8hoI0EQ1xIBL+V/wb66WohKxmeIdlMEcTddNNtzoQ+60tJEHax iJ4+9OaCFaRtn/SgL/t66nTSxPlSA0VbLVuFvphpKBq5iXMPjCYcxwpY6HSkd5UnzXN+ kSt8wV4COvd20TK0yUoE77vC+XITP+kTE6yHUmYAMxp4uxxIRhrc+8dNWqvsa6Cj/T9x n7txs3OIamduk49ylN5HF58VsoDngkr4qfaIQeZocpv6sWrG83BWUNBCrqKgn1V0eT0W HAt95+p6WVCo1P3TkBILRoiRwtON/iSd5w9ro1l4Gr8fP4GG1fBzPagHBjhkrY8WbCei 8+Aw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rk0j13R0n1ngfgVS5n+DL7lKoey9l+85AndVTSUgrT6JRs6Q5OhyPKSBdi9vjzNfdOsTHK1YFjh1b/IjA== X-Received: by 10.55.209.26 with SMTP id s26mr1912170qki.24.1475562864687; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 23:34:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.37.54 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 23:33:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <06273A79-CAEB-4981-9BEE-22939D333D66@gmail.com> <30DC0151-C918-4664-A1FE-9179E08DE833@gmail.com> <874m4xbyt4.fsf@toke.dk> <50625ff6-5baf-6c4b-6e1b-55d55a37c199@taht.net> From: Henning Rogge Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 08:33:54 +0200 Message-ID: To: Neil Shepperd Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] cake for net-next 4.8 X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 06:34:25 -0000 On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Neil Shepperd wrote: > Gmail spam team got back to me; they have apparently "fixed the problem", > which I guess means messages here should stop being marked as spam soon. > Because gmail's spam filters are top secret business, I couldn't tell you > anything else :) Yeah, we know the drill... you could tell us, but then you would have to delete our Google Account... ;) Good to hear the problem is gone. Henning > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 at 17:10 Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/30/16 1:37 PM, Neil Shepperd wrote: >> > Disabling ipv6 (at least in the mail server, in outgoing direction) is >> > probably the easiest option... >> >> It looks like the simplest thing I could do to allow inbound while >> stopping outbound ipv6 would be to: >> >> /etc/postfix/main.cf: >> smtp_bind_address6 =3D ::1 >> >> >> > I see on most messages here DKIM-Signature headers apparently from >> > gmail: "v=3D1; a=3Drsa-sha256; c=3Drelaxed/relaxed; d=3Dgmail.com >> > ; s=3D20120113;". These signatures are failing becau= se >> > of the added message footer. No sign of a DKIM-Signature >> > for lists.bufferbloat.net . You'd need t= o >> > set that up in the list MTA. >> >> Honestly my "email-fu" has declined considerably in recent years. >> Despite the apparent simplicity of this idea, my brain just crashed >> multiple times on setting it up with postfix + mailman 2. >> >> And thank you for poking so deeply into this, I was A) really annoyed by >> the bloat-list-as-spam thing and B) clueless. >> >> > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 at 15:42 Dave T=C3=A4ht > > > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 9/30/16 1:02 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >> > > Neil Shepperd > >> > writes: >> > > >> > >> I think I have now accumulated enough spam/nonspam classified >> > emails >> > >> to make a statistically signification observation: it seems lik= e >> > all >> > >> emails classified as spam from these lists were send from ipv6: >> > >> >> > >> SPF: PASS with IP 2600:3c03:0:0:f03c:91ff:fe61:86ce >> > >> >> > >> All emails from bufferbloat.net lists >> > are failing DKIM (because of the >> > >> mailing list footer breaking the DKIM signature) which might be >> > worth >> > >> fixing, and failing DMARC because all mailing lists fails DMARC >> > >> (however google does not have a strict DMARC policy so that >> > shouldn't >> > >> matter, I hope). >> > >> >> > >> By the way, it's not just you, either. I have emails from other= s >> > on >> > >> these lists in my spam folder. >> > >> >> > >> The distinguishing factor seems to be whether the email was sen= t >> > from >> > >> the lists.bufferbloat.net ipv6 >> > address. Unless this address >> > >> corresponds to some kind of tunnel broker possibly also used by >> > >> spammers, I can only assume this is some kind of bug (after all= , >> > it >> > >> was spf validated so the address shouldn't matter at that >> > point?). >> > > >> > > Indeed, gmail requires extra measures for IPv6: >> > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126 (scroll down to >> > "Additional >> > > guidelines for IPv6"). >> > > >> > > Fixing DKIM might be worthwhile :) >> > >> > But it passes the spf check?? And the reverse lookup is correct. >> > >> > How about I just disable ipv6? >> > >> > Have no idea why dkim doesn't work. >> > >> > > >> > > -Toke >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Cake mailing list >> > > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cake mailing list >> > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >