From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=fail (Used From Domain Record) header.from=uvic.ca policy.dmarc=none Received: from mail-yx1-f52.google.com (mail-yx1-f52.google.com [74.125.224.52]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 730E392F2B9 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2025 18:52:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-yx1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-63fd2b18c40so900522d50.0 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2025 09:52:38 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1762537957; x=1763142757; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=owmrg5onFoYoIY9FTiCp4HzRuGeEsgr6TOrm57tjRd4=; b=sY1jI5VAEUvnUIu+j47h3FJlGBWRLeHg0PAOzVWO1nep9uFMDyLUqoPvSNYBgWJKts d8RLa2KP2tX7bhujrZEvJ7vsqJPit5EfFeHKBnW6cdNa9cxKMSYgHpSS6/QxjTwLF7PG IaJFmwNk1LSWYxwvs8/50Tghx3t0tEInuj8W2MGdFG3vudbyWJvh9Olhrr/EttQL6XuG AEv5VXYv2HNTazWDrtrrku6xafBEyHmUHGZCExZ+zkYTuf6KFCEUdyZsEP7NOpgEuQgh yH+RmGXX1S1NEs/hTTSt5zHaPbtchcaoV3xbJaf7NCDOOzUWEdiWR/iKBhlonGdy1P3+ ohqA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXk9JfmLZNAAZclJPMwPoDbY2WbZKbtaERzpMHCIBxwlQu9egCSUdZ68//vgTycejJW3F5d@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzLGlfAT324nwAegOCAzbvhub1QxR/TnKaSPmzn2QyfLU77t/EE x7F5XzhYA08G8wY40V2yPxr+wTLQpajXvPImKwBQL7g52zBLq4IU34M/FNzcvbyYbOR5zzXislp Z7ztg1IeIyw5UmiZ8qTVlA0y74txBolA= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsPwKJyt480It+kpkgVR2DkYafbcAjaSLC2Nrq93Cj0LFDgT0xobofAr34LyiT gdg0kLO28yXRBDZeH6OTZkjQCAqz8cftXaV0QIT7hsxKE4cIYySzJgUXpMIyOaCuW8z5Y2JMy/M 17UnxGsoXSAVJq27ldyVi5KXZ5kl1vbvEeSB8ly3fMDmOIrwdjRg+JmDGK8+/v54eN0itoNDmVA rPDS3JFyItMYJ6Vr7pCJ9gBLAX4aCIrt0Q7klGuqfy+kvCV5AN54b+HhO97GlMYUAHf9FQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE13Bjj6hrZeB/+eavzWtDUQhHXMXKOj7TQWhLb/VWVHu/i8OrfSkiXbePcTWcnc0d1RqM30uN3olSvIIf+dGA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690e:4346:b0:63f:c61a:5075 with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-640c43718f9mr2745845d50.52.1762537956719; Fri, 07 Nov 2025 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9390D9DA-3C77-429F-A41D-E0FECD52FF06@connectivitycap.com> <2036296F-1567-4B66-BD8C-3AB49EBD5AA3@connectivitycap.com> In-Reply-To: <2036296F-1567-4B66-BD8C-3AB49EBD5AA3@connectivitycap.com> From: J Pan Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 09:52:25 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_blDI_oBV-Wlqvihh8Wq4w6NVeajpWPFjnjuJXwlGyHe5Q31VOY89eNNy6I Message-ID: To: Jim Forster Cc: Frantisek Borsik , Cake List , bloat , codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, libreqos , l4s-discuss@ietf.org, starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailFrom: panatuvicdotca@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation Message-ID-Hash: F7LZPRFP2ZQXFUZKSW6DWZGAYVQXWDBY X-Message-ID-Hash: F7LZPRFP2ZQXFUZKSW6DWZGAYVQXWDBY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 07 Nov 2025 20:52:44 +0100 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Cake] Re: [Starlink] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: latency is based on round-trip time, and one-way delay includes transmission delay, propagation delay, queuing delay and processing delay. bandwidth does affect transmission delay (or serialization delay), propagation delay is determined by the link length and the "travel" speed of the signal, queuing delay is the hardest part and affected by the buffer bloat a lot, and processing delay is another variable. of course, transmission delay takes less and less portion of the end-to-end delay now due to higher and higher "speed" links consumers may mistaken the speed of the link (the "width" of their pipe) as how fast their internet is (the "length" of the pipe), due to the poor terminology we have been using ;-) -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 8:19=E2=80=AFAM Jim Forster via Starlink wrote: > > Frank =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m watching it now, Great job pulling this group= together, and nice, balanced opening statement. > > =E2=80=94 Jim > > > On Nov 7, 2025, at 5:53=E2=80=AFAM, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote: > > > > > > Recording of our QoE/QoS panel discussion is out! It was really great a= nd > > believe you will like it: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT1VET0VYQ6c > > > > We have touch bandwidth, L4S, Starlink and more. > > > > Here are the slides with additional reading: > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ML0I3Av3DCtQDiP8Djr_YGH2r4-UDZP= 25VEk-xyJcZE/edit?slide=3Did.p#slide=3Did.p > > > > We hope to continue this conversation into more practical, demo-like > > environment of sort, that we can see at IETF Hackathon and used to see = in > > the early WISPA event days, with Animal Farm. > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net