From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yb0-x234.google.com (mail-yb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DF833B29E for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yb0-x234.google.com with SMTP id n23-v6so928484ybg.1 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:25:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bS2GhUW6fe6h3DkS7uNuyOHI1r891ERZl8EXJSO/1kc=; b=SyfEZtu7pLM8erVNUH/fQmmrca670FPzY7PNTOo16Lg8xtUcvYXC+pnIDvutm/M9Df SlF9V9eAOM0frcFjAUbNX+QPRX1zG31NrmsuZ/Mzx6LDXK8+LvdQek0w2hP7sKnK8T7F R3D2kwOcFyPS/4Mj435I/k5ErCgyAoVuV1QjHdEeRh6W9Jsv50qbYXgBAWeKSkTymfmv 2vxlIH/ktJZGbjYJXjAVpKeEV16HmDQ3wPeUk40hb8kNxY2fPAJMaPxv/9Y6rOn1hHhH Ooj0wPGXH6aLjpnobKklH59tyKsCyg6SlGv2FCPjLA+3nPeGBkt1vpSdbOZTbGj/hEUM QY0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bS2GhUW6fe6h3DkS7uNuyOHI1r891ERZl8EXJSO/1kc=; b=MjhK0ww7uqU8MxidDBPtikHVixLPUXMVxsGPFsfDHiS6WwxXdZYJlqd+fV/rOJ6+1o epJ4EfqMsw5+0Hn+3teqWuV8i78dXmUW+B59cMVw+l6zA+q7XisQ672XlgOXrFSAQVAD ALbgxF1b7euXyADmH+AvUhDuKovQZPn9v0QT2UnV7671SUk1sTYmgQgJpbwxYHL/1/ii sNQY9cwH9DkdXRE6bvUCRuzS2HKynoW3GVK4yAF3rrma+PpJNjYSXZig5ybhDj+Dl/53 QccqIlNuTPW1cPwbBJppKuqHnVVZTF0gc+EVXFHhds0y6VTQ6aRS8ZjEMarOKv0u3X96 Cjlg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E20QHggjLCGtMBMnD+TtVzvgJmwuqwCbYlwbLOvMb3TNxzWv3dA OFmWalh5Yl3iI6hkSjZV+cwHiMyUkSZ2y+wYQUbujQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIzQ7yY8JtUye6mw0q4jC9GAizK+/cwbytnKH9K6inGjluXRUK3xJUq0fmS6GItvFRIfFiSCN1oIOyFGdQqoO0= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4b81:: with SMTP id y123-v6mr10110394yba.274.1529483128006; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:25:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Luca Muscariello Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:25:16 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Cake List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000088ee37056f0e8ad1" Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:25:28 -0000 --00000000000088ee37056f0e8ad1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my opinion, you should introduce the challenges faced to get to this point a little bit more. There has been an historically difficult insertion of packet scheduling in the Internet. FQ in the first place has suffered ostracism for a number of reasons, some acceptable criticism, some others just driven by ignorance. You don't make that point at the beginning of the presentation and you should, IMO. Let me be a little dramatic for a second. It's been an odyssey. Really, if we start counting from John Nagle (1985) and Ellen Hahne's Ph.D thesis at MIT supervised by Robert Gallager. And take FQ_codel RFC as another milestone in 2018. More than 30 years. That's an odyssey. Longer actually as Ulysses stayed away from home only 20 years! So cake is really sitting on giant's shoulders. But the list is long, Jim Roberts, Scott Shenker, Luigi Rizzo and many many others, sorry the list is too long. Why so difficult? Was it worthy? I think you should say that at the conference. Gook luck! Ellen L. Hahne: Round robin scheduling for fair flow control in data communication networks= . Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA, USA 1986 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:44 PM Dave Taht wrote: > I started at the lanman2018 talk (to be given next tuesday), this past > weekend, for "piece of cake" ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.07617 ) > > Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20 > minutes eludes me. There's so much to cake! There's no room for me to > break out a guitar or carry a case of water bottles into this preso. > > A principal complaint of the reviewers of the paper was the lack of > real world tests, so I snuck in a couple sides for that and am working > on incorporating the graphs and other text from the paper. > > But ya know, it's always been a group effort and if anyone(s) here > would like to contribute better slides, jokes, text, ideas, graphs, > charts, or whatever, it would be helpful, because I can no longer see > the forest after passing through it. I've oft wished we had the > equivalent of a corp communications department 'cause my attempts at > graphics generally suck. > > What does a ieee lanman2018 audience already grok, what needs to be > explained? > > I will be periodically updating the currently very raw > > http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/ieee.odp > > as we go along. Please share your thoughts.... > > > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > --00000000000088ee37056f0e8ad1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In my opinion, you should introduce the challenges faced t= o get to this point a little bit more.
There has been an historically d= ifficult insertion of packet scheduling in the Internet.

FQ in the first place has suffered ostracism for a number of reasons= , some acceptable criticism,=C2=A0
some others just driven by ign= orance.
You don't make that point at the beginning of the pre= sentation and you should, IMO.

Let me be a little = dramatic for a second.=C2=A0
It's been an odyssey. Really, if= we start counting from John Nagle (1985) and
Ellen Hahne's P= h.D thesis at MIT supervised by Robert Gallager.
And take FQ_code= l RFC as another milestone in 2018.

More than 30 y= ears. That's an odyssey. Longer actually as Ulysses stayed away from ho= me only 20 years!
So cake is really sitting on giant's should= ers.
But the list is long, Jim Roberts, Scott Shenker, Luigi Rizz= o and many many others, sorry the list is too long.

Why so difficult? Was it worthy?=C2=A0
I think you should say t= hat at the conference.=C2=A0
Gook luck!

=
= Ellen L. Hahne:
Round robin scheduling for fair flow control in data communication netw= orks.=C2=A0
Massach= usetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA, USA=C2=A01986


On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:44 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
I started at the lanman2018 talk (to be given next tuesd= ay), this past
weekend, for "piece of cake" ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.= 07617 )

Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20
minutes eludes me. There's so much to cake! There's no room for me = to
break out a guitar or carry a case of water bottles into this preso.

A principal complaint of the reviewers of the paper=C2=A0 was the lack of real world tests, so I snuck in a couple sides for that and am working
on incorporating the graphs and other text from the paper.

But ya know, it's always been a group effort and if anyone(s) here
would like to contribute better slides, jokes, text, ideas, graphs,
charts, or whatever, it would be helpful, because I can no longer see
the forest after passing through it. I've oft wished we had the
equivalent of a corp communications department 'cause my attempts at graphics generally suck.

What does a ieee lanman2018 audience already grok, what needs to be explain= ed?

I will be periodically updating the currently very raw

http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/ieee.odp

as we go along. Please share your thoughts....




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