* [Cake] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) @ 2025-09-30 20:24 James Forster 2025-09-30 20:48 ` Frantisek Borsik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: James Forster @ 2025-09-30 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Frantisek Borsik; +Cc: Cake List, bloat, codel, Jeremy Austin via Rpm, libreqos Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek! Great work making this happen. These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-) If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and talking beads. Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android. Jim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* [Cake] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) 2025-09-30 20:24 [Cake] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) James Forster @ 2025-09-30 20:48 ` Frantisek Borsik [not found] ` <CAA_JP8XOeSOqbZJPH=1_oWMD055vOUxHipxJMs8sbsHLu5MHCA@mail.gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Frantisek Borsik @ 2025-09-30 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: James Forster, Jason Livingood Cc: Cake List, bloat, codel, Jeremy Austin via Rpm, libreqos Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because of our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter. As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is dead. Long live latency." https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you all. PS: Sending you separate email. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025 https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com> wrote: > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek! Great work making this happen. > > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-) > > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and > talking beads. Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android. > > Jim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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* [Cake] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) [not found] ` <CAA_JP8XOeSOqbZJPH=1_oWMD055vOUxHipxJMs8sbsHLu5MHCA@mail.gmail.com> @ 2025-10-01 21:32 ` Frantisek Borsik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Frantisek Borsik @ 2025-10-01 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dan Cc: James Forster, Jason Livingood, Cake List, bloat, codel, Jeremy Austin via Rpm, libreqos Let's say that I love it, channeling my inner Dave Taht. But there were a couple of voices asking if I won't consider to change it a bit, to be "less hostile" to our "bandwidth is king!" friends...and I was trying, but this was really sticky and I'm happy that it stayed this way. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025 https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 9:25 PM dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote: > I actually really like the title ;) > > It's that most of the time people are told they need more bandwidth to > solve a problem, when they really need lower latency and jitter. So the > vast majority of the time 'more bandwidth' as a solution really is a lie. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:47 PM Frantisek Borsik via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because >> of >> our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter. >> As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is >> dead. Long live latency." >> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency >> >> I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you >> all. >> >> PS: Sending you separate email. >> >> All the best, >> >> Frank >> >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >> >> >> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025 >> >> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >> >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >> >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >> >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >> >> Skype: casioa5302ca >> >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek! Great work making this happen. >> > >> > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the >> > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-) >> > >> > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and >> > talking beads. Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android. >> > >> > Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> LibreQoS mailing list -- libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to libreqos-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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