From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x231.google.com (mail-lf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 646813CB39 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id g25so10083280lfh.1 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9zLco69jj93nBvxvgazO1X/WxQqF5dbFC0+dj0x91Ng=; b=B861SmCnHlpKMbhxGzIGz7e7D2VqKfgJmw1Ubau5sZmf6EoNuPyDVMhN4kN1RSkTWM hP+3IroPfW1NmtDXPuS6wT6FCTPbQmrj8s+J8PC764naF/caQtVzTEGaeeebDsXtXTuL 19lSRu7x8UZNtCPCl2ke/4j1N0tVH/XACJi2ZNg7fYMGJQLWc/x+bvecBGYXK5UWUuXL 690xDczidUpLfGkpG2pt0SOiHSrJ4cKeeMcZwYGrQHTT0uPUHJ+2qo2sdlh93e1+0eh3 86iwaoGULTS0nZzpJxu7qKxfxYoQtiskjKQlTyGBdD1Sy/vKtRh2S8iOda7jBQexZV8Q +kJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9zLco69jj93nBvxvgazO1X/WxQqF5dbFC0+dj0x91Ng=; b=U9HnHeHhyWwQZdEdwLcrBXFpWwTjPC3pW8d7F/KXW9fSYzEBqYzdGvL6aUv7Ve2tO0 3qIzY6vgMrLwUldyiULIbvQFiAWfAB53R0N8Zd73ew3wEy5ayxJzQmV9uu0LfFOXDj6p JAXZiCgT9YzrzDZ3FHNLAx+wVEbX0WtayWqJ80grhf01zGlamjRUsCaRXrFaTYCtuyMD eglSFPSTw5IPblcWX35gsCyypzehr2ADRkxg+MrvxyW1yg+BaVQ5sQVBZZ2yPipWHMhs O7j3cOXzUU5wlUt0MuHWAta6ExtG2X/4hI8VTVSfWAAbM15kQSoFk2EDCJnki18yuUd5 wRZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iwIcsE2K8PLlQlPrflVAfULcXw+DJiqhdzLvcTX/VjBL9JSF49 qa65j7bHngN9Dmt402VUW1m89vMgzQ== X-Received: by 10.46.76.18 with SMTP id z18mr4601115lja.14.1502410600847; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:16:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.235.74 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:16:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1502267789764.33636@telenor.com> References: <1502267789764.33636@telenor.com> From: Benjamin Cronce Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: To: erik.taraldsen@telenor.com Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e9d242b9f9c05566f3a29" Subject: Re: [Cake] Fast snack, QUIC CAKE? X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 00:16:42 -0000 --f403045e9d242b9f9c05566f3a29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" CAKE only works for endpoints you control. QUIC can benefit in situations where you don't control the chokepoints. Not sure how QUIC interacts with CAKE. I can't see it being more than a small percent better or worse. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 3:36 AM, wrote: > Has anybody here done any experimentation on CAKE (and others) when using > QUIC? Or other real world insights into other aspects of QUIC? For > example proper CAKE and TCP version of youtube vs crappy quing/latency and > QUIC. > > > The overlapping design goals is making the user experience snappy, but > QUICs approach is to control the end points with a new protocol to replace > TCP. (Or improve TCP in the future). > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC > > > > -Erik > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > --f403045e9d242b9f9c05566f3a29 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CAKE only works for endpoints you control. QUIC can benefi= t in situations where you don't control the chokepoints. Not sure how Q= UIC interacts with CAKE. I can't see it being more than a small percent= better or worse.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 3:36 AM, <erik.taraldsen@telenor.co= m> wrote:
Has anybody here = done any experimentation on CAKE (and others) when using QUIC?=C2=A0 Or oth= er real world insights into other aspects of QUIC?=C2=A0 =C2=A0For example = proper CAKE and TCP version of youtube vs crappy quing/latency and QUIC.

The overlapping design goals is making the user experience snappy, but QUIC= s approach is to control the end points with a new protocol to replace TCP.= =C2=A0 (Or improve TCP in the future).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC



-Erik
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