From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com (mail-qt0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F227B3B2A4 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id i40so28104541qti.8 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 06:48:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=w417dUqRzQQfTxWNbx9jloiQOyVKdEUxGl27How8L6U=; b=j571dfn/LKeajOWUD3kDNeZs2nKOB6i8djAYn4A3TVTLWUE6u4keEKrf0tVzvqln+C Qgqq1FOjQs/lf9f/ppTnHFlcfq7fMB08PqBz24hu8T1lpZwjkBz2OHCpwVzqop2Dny7d RnTENaG6SGhWzWzwBvpjCmRezuwOGYvpcxx2i3q1ScgSZiZzCr2zniq0iPX6AXYhllXp TwpaC8wIx8VUfqynbjRT+dBzlycrydVd3z6hLEWqhnK1WqLgWKSZt+63hRCRCzCVYu23 V8OHz+lUxoTQxOTD8frbRy9BVq+R/VHBsweEUXEAB3PcdbGsfgVQpf6/VMWiXNfI3jue BLXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=w417dUqRzQQfTxWNbx9jloiQOyVKdEUxGl27How8L6U=; b=rj0jNFpuuJ3SpcnLN4Tt/p6JwE9MlcGMZafTSzukM+rUYE6M1zBtaIYOGoFD+P3R5N 3NeXk8dHtDDf/J7gjWomIl7Z7jje1SB0jvCPsjCUr0YamLGnu6ASxQk6aSHtSFekZR+5 K0/6xw+UjP5RskuqOLc5LqmCbtHEeH1oAPG/GwjVQUHR49Al3WL2puo7brXNHPPLC9LV Z4fglXMhMJ4TcmWSw0Z2yWvKu/RaqSAHZTyioYj+Q/S0R9ogKad8oN7GDqme8cxM99Dp C06wJ6hby7RzKqU5V3NJNQUPu2ag6jcdcKZSXiXQlQ1h0l5R2TNQJ5QO2jPUrqadi3B9 z1MA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX69ihE+RK7g/U0Y+GWRSb8mUMw13ImpuOuSO2xQYZQJGmZkS/Sy EQf9FJqntVgtvVjBEo9wukiar0RP1zmbY6i9PA0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbRFErXVI0yXfde1ZHEwLtLtiCTYIGWc0q2QhmYrg5qaqCzOSrt0CSgX7V5XsKKa342S2QPlGZY/FUssXl5g3k= X-Received: by 10.200.63.208 with SMTP id v16mr58983946qtk.249.1511794104959; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 06:48:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.102.179 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 06:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.102.179 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 06:48:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <67B1612D-895D-4E3A-8CBD-21580B470696@gmail.com> References: <85E1A7B2-8AA7-418A-BE43-209A1EC8881A@gmail.com> <87d1447z9w.fsf@toke.dk> <27F95EB1-490B-404C-8F77-98646B6159E7@gmail.com> <1C937A63-CEC1-4173-8812-EA2A85972B73@gmail.com> <20D304DC-494E-4A00-9B39-1E9F4B0F0CB6@gmail.com> <67B1612D-895D-4E3A-8CBD-21580B470696@gmail.com> From: Jonathan Morton Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:48:24 +0200 Message-ID: To: Pete Heist Cc: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= , Cake List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c14988a99888b055ef7fec7" Subject: Re: [Cake] cake flenter results round 1 X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:48:26 -0000 --94eb2c14988a99888b055ef7fec7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It's not at all obvious how we'd detect that. Packets are staying in the queue for less time than the codel target, which is exactly what you'd get if you weren't saturated at all. - Jonathan Morton --94eb2c14988a99888b055ef7fec7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's not at all obvious how we'd detect that.=C2=A0 = Packets are staying in the queue for less time than the codel target, which= is exactly what you'd get if you weren't saturated at all.

- Jonathan Morton

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