From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 311253BA8E for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 03:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id m194-v6so3393977itg.2 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:55:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=G0MB8M/dAZZ4XM2V2JDOAYI+Dmvs6ojEi4TSTaBODzg=; b=i4y0HBE/39enfBiv17HKD0UJW9XN6KwTONAY0HYdsqN+H49tWsMFSR2NCU8EafZcsp gfWtBOnGMYVre61ShQU6zirJeND/PWwdfyqf6x5BCf/CjKKn08bu87VTSA8wR4g+Ypsv oyqrvsdq3aRGpB4Mp7DY9s2jSrEJa38hwWuLY2BtbpDYoCC2SfNPAfYwrUmJE7bKTBXj x3fSqnajk1y4GTzQPopA0d2QvPvu/I/rcO0DIInkRJl1BQNKkiYGKoC9glvwzNGWdZfq +PLNYn87raqrQ/h0q7wNO2KpmJBVpyDucuAQfvlAWnrLcsewiUk/OjyBN4Ceo9WBZw/v LgTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G0MB8M/dAZZ4XM2V2JDOAYI+Dmvs6ojEi4TSTaBODzg=; b=k/fvKdWtqGa3mL3MXTsynUk1Gukmzk0BGxdLmZ64GPdfa6O0IttNEKMoWYpswhwxyf 2Iz1Tnw1pSsRRi5h/HUedoNfjiGpGxyqz2LPIoTKNC6SUCfS/nhwT/+gAq6zNcq79S2x 85Z/1/r7XPuL88GqXqdwSgQsjrIy1/rXzF6uUH/Qt1Sjhy1eadPi59lWVdlU2C7h3eUD I256P4ei3x1oKJ0jh2ah0xl9v77/lHlbpDQA5ZkHAJpspl5yZGDOsHDhvrhUoEAMEKK+ HxDOm3Xr6VhSCLmRJ6gpB8ZbbxNXrlYi/G/aVRvTx/HM4gRTbnHx5qjdWtwguKYTIhW6 64qg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2L9POI4b5jItYotVdqoMy0krgilj34o6FwBYPtTa1uM3WaKdyP MWqA3ysqRhwjN+ZgN889bpWx/WcO2fvbpDjrB64= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKvBaiADTpr57Mj5g9gRmyFXO1qS7AdJ3pK+W8HYADT0fBQSCs5YqLxiONhKq8vMv2ptsnZHysR7KRri9XuXVQ= X-Received: by 2002:a24:46d4:: with SMTP id j203-v6mr4453301itb.93.1529567744675; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:55:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonas_M=C3=A5rtensson?= Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:55:33 +0200 Message-ID: To: pete@heistp.net Cc: Dave Taht , Cake List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000014d582056f223e66" Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:55:45 -0000 --00000000000014d582056f223e66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:04 AM Pete Heist wrote: > > > On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very > > powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues. > > > > I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more > > focus than that. > > Ok, I=E2=80=99ve finally got a few freer days coming up, so I=E2=80=99ll = see if I can=E2=80=99t > make progress on backed up tasks, then maybe write something up on this. > Might retreat from the lists meanwhile. > > On slide #4: Ubiquity -> Ubiquiti. And consider adding Verizon. My mother > has Verizon Fios (50Mbit symmetric fiber) near Philly and that was the > connection I referred to earlier- it just doesn=E2=80=99t feel like 50Mbi= t > symmetric fiber should. > > As a side note, Google as a whole seems responsible as far as the big fou= r > go when it comes to bloat (and other things). BBR advanced the state of > things, and they financed it after all, so it deserves some appreciation, > to the devs as well. Worth mentioning in this preso? :) > > I like the Cake vs Sonic Fiber slide, and would like to hear the > commentary. In case they video the presentation, do post a link. Best of > luck! > I like the slide too but what exactly do you mean by "Cake gets inside the GPON request/grant loop"? Now, even more impressive would be a Cake vs Google Fiber plot, showing a reduction of latency under load from ~2000ms to a few ms. --00000000000014d582056f223e66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu= , Jun 21, 2018 at 9:04 AM Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net> wrote:

> On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a v= ery
> powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues.<= br> >
> I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more > focus than that.

Ok, I=E2=80=99ve finally got a few freer days coming up, so I=E2=80=99ll se= e if I can=E2=80=99t make progress on backed up tasks, then maybe write som= ething up on this. Might retreat from the lists meanwhile.

On slide #4: Ubiquity -> Ubiquiti. And consider adding Verizon. My mothe= r has Verizon Fios (50Mbit symmetric fiber) near Philly and that was the co= nnection I referred to earlier- it just doesn=E2=80=99t feel like 50Mbit sy= mmetric fiber should.

As a side note, Google as a whole seems responsible as far as the big four = go when it comes to bloat (and other things). BBR advanced the state of thi= ngs, and they financed it after all, so it deserves some appreciation, to t= he devs as well. Worth mentioning in this preso? :)

I like the Cake vs Sonic Fiber slide, and would like to hear the commentary= . In case they video the presentation, do post a link. Best of luck!

I like the slide too but what exactly do you = mean by "Cake gets inside the GPON request/grant loop"?

Now, even more impressive would be a Cake vs Google Fiber p= lot, showing a reduction of latency under load from ~2000ms to a few ms.
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