From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf29.google.com (mail-qv1-xf29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C69C13B2A4 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 12:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qv1-xf29.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-67f85d29d14so23329286d6.1 for ; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:07:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1704820039; x=1705424839; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/OhkZSJ4tfSTpPsCBs6t+UylzqerWdtL+WDq3cW+pOE=; b=UdM5OYGXVhpuAHPLaxuDRDVABK0IBWCtcBtmyyIpAYPuJTAwo/4jeF7LZlsQBugsme 00pVaipy+X3ikiutOxHTi9eBk1Ms0Vx805dWviYGcveNmUXmPGXQBlZZKxLzVW6PW3tO ZzPyE9G3S0M/W46XqFQSPMypvyxZJ8PZiT8D06s6/hyKhHL9+hqQ7EAHfdXEJwmYlBR7 rQlvTOB8PrvMQT2X24GPXK5nQcbFBLnzK85cyEWlLZ1uQ4jF7TIWq3N49+SASrZRR6uv HmzXiSTRWwavX03GtWqVcJ8IGF9OywFqwLbTpPEzbi2Z3kxlpG0YbdsZYbuMw0PesPMh SGYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704820039; x=1705424839; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=/OhkZSJ4tfSTpPsCBs6t+UylzqerWdtL+WDq3cW+pOE=; b=ShEDMPbNimN2kXm4EesvstODFQrN9lzTCdbWwjnT5O31aKgb8KpFCYOnKhenccEdiw 1q3lbPPNZRtwUka21d45zV7nIUNdmbRLovG8F4VvtHUVlE5ni9TDXx/hAkiBwAZICXML pk6vzdTJoCcEL9S+wcgPAmOwqcBOrzFpPYpqPtZmJJjqIrfceOW9OXfWB+IT2BQVlm4y OC8oj8ZoYAqT8WLYZDNrmY9HUM+1HIE1R0zVydRA2COWjWyabjYE861HeoaBPHKxo+Qt QWT3ae0j0ouBKkhh6h+/GEWxZ+e6u8hP24ziLaEQQhF990vn0w2uR85Ilf5FajUPUg5l MF6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxxdiNzwmZ1UdE0Yunajp51c14vPyMmer3KgqmPSSyeqfGSFCV6 bnvCK9txaOHxAH3djepz6OLaPFBjYmX4mfnboXc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEYteevqpgkbD9P76JOVvsnUirrulWdDbL6yP1DKTk4P29kBUKskVijQujEzc4dCe8gUmCXUhj5lRJfdwct+44= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2a8e:b0:67f:adff:74a0 with SMTP id jr14-20020a0562142a8e00b0067fadff74a0mr7596729qvb.110.1704820039047; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:07:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <65325791-A1D1-4E21-9F1D-D17737BCFF0F@lochnair.net> <867A6BD3-28C6-467A-977C-932DFB6B8E08@lochnair.net> In-Reply-To: <867A6BD3-28C6-467A-977C-932DFB6B8E08@lochnair.net> From: dave seddon Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 09:07:07 -0800 Message-ID: To: Nils Andreas Svee Cc: Dave Taht , CAKE list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d56135060e8658c2" Subject: Re: [Cake] Ubiquity (Unifi ) Smart Queues X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 17:07:19 -0000 --000000000000d56135060e8658c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nils - I guess you could run LibreQoS on N100? On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:57=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake < cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Jan 9, 2024, at 17:05, Dave Taht wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake > wrote: > > Though frankly, I don=E2=80=99t plan on updating the sch_cake and tc bina= ries when > new firmwares are released anymore, as they don=E2=80=99t publish the GPL= archives > on their webpage after the redesign, and they don=E2=80=99t respond to re= quests for > them either by the looks of the forums. So if it breaks there=E2=80=99s n= ot much I > can do anymore. > > > This irks me enormously. It is the direct outcome of the cambium > elevate lawsuit, where both companies lost, the ISPs lost, open source > practices long established about publishing sources, lost, and the > lawyers went on to other nasty things leaving this trail of awful > precedents in their wake. > > https://www.mtin.net/blog/ubnt-vs-cambium/ > > Wow, hadn=E2=80=99t read about that. They even sued an ISP just for using > Cambium=E2=80=99s software on their hardware? > That is crazy, just evil corporate lawyers doing their thing I guess. > > I do not know what to do about it. It also irks me that as a > contributor to "smart queues" they are not maintaining it well. > > It leaves something to be desired yes, and I would=E2=80=99ve hoped to se= e CAKE > included too of course, > but even WireGuard is only available in the latest release candidates wit= h > the redesigned web UI, so I=E2=80=99m not holding my breath. > > I still have an EdgeRouter 4 that serves the family farm and one of the > 8-port switches under my desk, if only because I don=E2=80=99t wanna spen= d money on > replacing them, and they do serve their purpose. > > I=E2=80=99ve since moved though, and now live in an area that has FTTH, s= o I > needed something beefier to handle CAKE on a 750/750 subscription, becaus= e > obviously there=E2=80=99s still bloat even on that ;) > > One of those Chinese boxes with a N100 in it and OpenWrt on top works > wonders :) > > Best Regards, > Nils Andreas Svee > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > --=20 Regards, Dave Seddon +1 415 857 5102 --000000000000d56135060e8658c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nils - I guess you could run LibreQoS on N100?
On Tue, = Jan 9, 2024 at 8:57=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:<= br>
On Jan 9, 2024, at 17:05, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> = wrote:

On Tue, J= an 9, 2024 at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake
<cake@lists.bufferbloat.net= > wrote:

Though frankly= , I don=E2=80=99t plan on updating the sch_cake and tc binaries when new fi= rmwares are released anymore, as they don=E2=80=99t publish the GPL archive= s on their webpage after the redesign, and they don=E2=80=99t respond to re= quests for them either by the looks of the forums. So if it breaks there=E2= =80=99s not much I can do anymore.

This irks me enormously. It is the di= rect outcome of the cambium
elevate lawsuit, where both companies lost, the ISPs l= ost, open source
practices long established about publishing sources, lost, and th= e
lawye= rs went on to other nasty things leaving this trail of awful
precedents =C2=A0in t= heir wake.
Wow, = hadn=E2=80=99t read about that. They even sued an ISP just for using Cambiu= m=E2=80=99s software on their hardware?
That is crazy, just evil = corporate lawyers doing their thing I guess.

I do not know what t= o do about it. It also irks me that as a
contributor to "smart queues" t= hey are not maintaining it well.
It leav= es something to be desired yes, and I would=E2=80=99ve hoped to see CAKE in= cluded too of course,
but even WireGuard is only available in the lates= t release candidates with the redesigned web UI, so I=E2=80=99m not holding= my breath.

I still have an EdgeRouter 4 that serv= es the family farm and one of the 8-port switches under my desk, if only be= cause I don=E2=80=99t wanna spend money on replacing them, and they do serv= e their purpose.

I=E2=80=99ve since moved though, = and now live in an area that has FTTH, so I needed something beefier to han= dle CAKE on a 750/750 subscription, because obviously there=E2=80=99s still= bloat even on that ;)

One of those Chinese boxes = with a N100 in it and OpenWrt on top works wonders :)

<= div>Best Regards,
Nils Andreas Svee_______________________________________________
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