[Cake] vpn as wan interface on freshtomato, other fiber I control as wan interface for freshtomato (which uses cake)

[le berger des photons <thejoff@gmail.com>]

Hello,

I've been using tomato for 20 years.  Just started using cake with
freshtomato.  Most of my routers are distributing 200 to 300 gigabytes per
day to 40 or 50 clients.

I have 9 different fibre optics, each capable of 1 gigabit/second.  I use
less than 100 megabits per second for each ot them.

It occurs to me that I could perhaps benefit by putting a fast computer on
one of the fibers and having the other eight fibers' routers pull their wan
interface from that one fiber.

I saw that using cake with 8 qos priorities still left people with huge
bandwidth on priority 8.

When I was using SQM, I set the speed limits on each class.  I would use a
rule to limit all p2p protocols to that low speed.

Now using cake, I'm concerned that an illegal downloader could cause me
problems.

When I knew it would take a week to get a film,  I didn't worry about it.

Please tell me if you think what I've written represents the real world at
all as opposed to a likely massive grouping of bad assumptions and
misunderstandings on my part.

thanks

On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:25 AM <cake-request@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Send Cake mailing list submissions to
>         cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or
> body 'help' to
>         cake-request@lists.bufferbloat.net
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         cake-owner@lists.bufferbloat.net
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Cake digest..."
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically
> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
>       (Frantisek Borsik)
>    2. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically
> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
>       (Tom Herbert)
>    3. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically
> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
>       (Frantisek Borsik)
>    4. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically
> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
>       (Frantisek Borsik)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2026 23:54:14 +0200
> From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Cake] "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.  AQL
>         specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
> To: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>         <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,        codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>         Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAJUtOOgcb1bhwCAtx3yLg3umNR9ws_NHxfpchfyRBtCZYv2Leg@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
>
> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
>
> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>
> Skype: casioa5302ca
>
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>
>
> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
> August 23
>
> ka2107:
>
> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
>
> vochong:
>
> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
>
> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
>
> Qualcommax NSS Build
> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624> Community
> Builds, Projects & Packages
> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
>
> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed me
> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via cpu_port_rate,
> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. Wi-Fi
> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired. Classification —
> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the switch
> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
>
> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
> would
> have been happy.
> ------------------------------
>
> Visit Topic
> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948> or
> reply to this email to respond.
>
> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here
> <
> https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb
> >
> .
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2026 14:57:59 -0700
> From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.
>         AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over
>         Wi-Fi"
> To: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>         <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,        codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>         Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CALx6S34Qvuer6Zt19JYHYOsG-JYHozGphGNTd9B1Gk9GTimP+w@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Fantastic!
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43 PM Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
> >
> > https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
> > https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
> >
> > AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> >
> >
> > *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
> >
> > https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
> >
> >
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
> >
> > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
> >
> > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
> >
> > Skype: casioa5302ca
> >
> > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
> > Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
> > Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
> > To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
> > St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
> > August 23
> >
> > ka2107:
> >
> > Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
> >
> > vochong:
> >
> > No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
> >
> > It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
> > <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
> >
> > Qualcommax NSS Build
> > <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624> Community
> > Builds, Projects & Packages
> > <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
> >
> > I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed
> me
> > to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
> > download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via cpu_port_rate,
> > because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. Wi-Fi
> > upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired.
> Classification —
> > the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the
> switch
> > forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
> >
> > Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
> > would
> > have been happy.
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Visit Topic
> > <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948> or
> > reply to this email to respond.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from these emails, click here
> > <
> >
> https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb
> > >
> > .
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 00:16:32 +0200
> From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.
>         AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over
>         Wi-Fi"
> To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>         <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,        codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>         Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAJUtOOj1t+hX_nrx4HGFxivvshD=
> yCC7sPsk1wm5GSnudKcBYQ@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> And I found the guy https://github.com/JuliusBairaktaris - great stuff!
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>
> Skype: casioa5302ca
>
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:58 PM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
>
> > Fantastic!
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43 PM Frantisek Borsik <
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
> >>
> >> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
> >> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
> >>
> >> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> >>
> >>
> >> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
> >>
> >> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
> >>
> >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
> >>
> >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
> >>
> >> Skype: casioa5302ca
> >>
> >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
> >> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
> >> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
> >> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
> >> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
> >> August 23
> >>
> >> ka2107:
> >>
> >> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
> >>
> >> vochong:
> >>
> >> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
> >>
> >> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
> >> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
> >>
> >> Qualcommax NSS Build
> >> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624>
> Community
> >> Builds, Projects & Packages
> >> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
> >>
> >> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed
> me
> >> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
> >> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via cpu_port_rate,
> >> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. Wi-Fi
> >> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired.
> Classification
> >> —
> >> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the
> >> switch
> >> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
> >>
> >> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
> >> would
> >> have been happy.
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Visit Topic
> >> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948> or
> >> reply to this email to respond.
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here
> >> <
> >>
> https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb
> >> >
> >> .
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 00:35:29 +0200
> From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.
>         AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over
>         Wi-Fi"
> To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>         <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,        codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>         Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAJUtOOjX7L98En0brnm4fiK2CZxhBntznv0k=
> 6PB02GX+xyZQQ@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> This guy is s!ck: https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/24806
> Nice.
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>
> Skype: casioa5302ca
>
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:16 AM Frantisek Borsik <
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And I found the guy https://github.com/JuliusBairaktaris - great stuff!
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> >
> >
> > *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
> >
> > https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
> >
> >
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
> >
> > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
> >
> > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
> >
> > Skype: casioa5302ca
> >
> > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:58 PM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Fantastic!
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43 PM Frantisek Borsik <
> >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
> >>>
> >>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
> >>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
> >>>
> >>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
> >>>
> >>> All the best,
> >>>
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
> >>>
> >>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
> >>>
> >>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
> >>>
> >>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
> >>>
> >>> Skype: casioa5302ca
> >>>
> >>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >>> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
> >>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
> >>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
> >>> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
> >>> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
> >>> August 23
> >>>
> >>> ka2107:
> >>>
> >>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
> >>>
> >>> vochong:
> >>>
> >>> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
> >>>
> >>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
> >>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
> >>>
> >>> Qualcommax NSS Build
> >>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624>
> Community
> >>> Builds, Projects & Packages
> >>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
> >>>
> >>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed
> >>> me
> >>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
> >>> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via
> cpu_port_rate,
> >>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0.
> Wi-Fi
> >>> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired.
> >>> Classification —
> >>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the
> >>> switch
> >>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
> >>>
> >>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
> >>> would
> >>> have been happy.
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Visit Topic
> >>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948>
> or
> >>> reply to this email to respond.
> >>>
> >>> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here
> >>> <
> >>>
> https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb
> >>> >
> >>> .
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >>>
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of Cake Digest, Vol 131, Issue 6
> ************************************
>