From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 657E23B2A4 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id l19-v6so17626313ioj.5 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 10:50:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W6W0G57oPv6DT5e33poqS3KIxNucPfCxsRU2HKft7vs=; b=G1IER4CEn2IbiLU5BCVwufCY6CSz2kDl606wUty6ZXN5r8vmihtMmEKvVm7qmu7nv3 YRhwceH6Ut6HycGghrsNXFjsVq8EqR1L8JqS+DvSpuD8AZI/rR+xVndQrDp7DGqYvwEl o0+nsL+ZPY3In+9GTIAhGt1GZfFXZ6lK71EAVV/V9siGSYSH8Hyx0+gqUyTg+P2/C1YX aX4/OobRnOOPaToitC6Euu2JBUyblmgfFfwp9fBqWL9ISb+aljmpaxGuKhCP0tgKJ8ZT mM7cICHqSWWafc95jHhMOemsA7WQjx3avIirFVhb0SPKuzR6FwOHvzMIDNNgtyiE9zc3 o9Pw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W6W0G57oPv6DT5e33poqS3KIxNucPfCxsRU2HKft7vs=; b=DkHjrYWeancSF5zHqnGj+4xRDXTxb1tiRWDUSZ6++9pbVTMcQlWWh3Qsl4JXLTHMUP t4OZsIsglKHPs5A9/ietGUYt0Jg9OYnpS/tL9dos8C30VU2w69b4H/cNiGrqeIy2cE0/ A2tsgoNPSD8qLW64EiGov6LsM2J7XqWCPAcRbvAZmMm7/g8ZZNDxNYNO6EUUgnMxh5rg j17Mq5n+prEfeTBCyZ/Fa96MhhQtBNdThuPRuqn260gvYPqoqsa4yvkCGsBlkgQiWovx n2RLPFixdZSXfeHYzINobV3BZ8UYU3mmwytNupB5+W8hWIhYt2zQzQQuvCQ2LfdIPKnV vFTg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3qp1ki6yEaW1yLBEzrdWEgxviJm2NOhvNf/qIVckLAjvfRewta s6YTrxfQAXudspKcNb2D8vlRL85L98LiohYz1zY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJjEjfS9khqjbsmIFgAYWjpyZT/qmNMa0GWyKtgYK+gUnir+8NWy9+cjxhlaEvOVX+DfRF7GwfZrH1eC6kKaM8= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:204:: with SMTP id 4-v6mr10600974ioc.191.1529344225874; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:a509:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Loganaden Velvindron Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:50:25 +0400 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:50:26 -0000 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > I started at the lanman2018 talk (to be given next tuesday), this past > weekend, for "piece of cake" ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.07617 ) > > Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20 > minutes eludes me. There's so much to cake! There's no room for me to > break out a guitar or carry a case of water bottles into this preso. > > A principal complaint of the reviewers of the paper was the lack of > real world tests, so I snuck in a couple sides for that and am working > on incorporating the graphs and other text from the paper. > > But ya know, it's always been a group effort and if anyone(s) here > would like to contribute better slides, jokes, text, ideas, graphs, > charts, or whatever, it would be helpful, because I can no longer see > the forest after passing through it. I've oft wished we had the > equivalent of a corp communications department 'cause my attempts at > graphics generally suck. > > What does a ieee lanman2018 audience already grok, what needs to be expla= ined? > > I will be periodically updating the currently very raw > > http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/ieee.odp > > as we go along. Please share your thoughts.... > > I thought that BBR solved a number of bufferbloat issues ? Maybe elaborate on the shortcomings of BBR. Particularly this comment: "But best case only work within an RTT" > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake