From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x22c.google.com (mail-qt0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D27703BA8E; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id k31so4526822qta.6; Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:28:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=tt6cUu5OHdeD/ZayzIZpe2+LRRXOkuE0NDmq1h+6s1k=; b=CDE7WDJWm6aB6YJ8mKsStdeslGMgPWVsr17vy+VFljlGgWwxrQOfnnUl3A+oA2h4Yl QDGap1j9cjA+zQpTo6tgj9pSroXCaUI/WkCRO9ylMhnEA/7iyZQDVO4dXAOzUHSYc0OU n4Am+vhZFJV+gg7oqtrJLhNOFuC52vtoHN3hPfawfMw6MBEtcmIrO1iJZ7hJV6rGcM0w +AlLILWWPHOxAI4zVCVSsYKIdH3Zk7lByTJSty4PshVCKj2cNpvxMNaaPoaL2IdbEHPV OyZpEGgFePJOdSvgsUbHp2KhMGawl+IfzvqqgXuf7wm3+GHN8IdbC5U1+Y/Qci6T2HEO C/Qw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=tt6cUu5OHdeD/ZayzIZpe2+LRRXOkuE0NDmq1h+6s1k=; b=BOQ+jSsdPK6hbf7Ooel/EGPxA3+7V97Tl5T23e7yngQOKHpx7PukZVLk5je8ZUl2iV v2XsmUyJmi1wOsfuNBsA0Ha5zqgRg12Rt28QDsZpkYgVE5nb+JK/DuJ2uPmFQhm8vYHS 2GUzPm8m3/OknfvCbsh/asHF5Ca8I7//EFHwMZuVTSWsec+8a4ckJjzNkCfy3UQ+MoXX zjlSbM47AtP8zEgiSijS9bNQbqLQOnAUwmgZilFW0xP+AHbUyiKwBGggkJS0e7/rL460 DCr1GAqIyLZOjvw5sXqcPCRVFwD3238Z/6/N8cqmHQ4ZVh/nkRJf3ee+maRvVlQDlKT/ ROKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5AmAwobBf6AG4QoV2R58ADQOpp97QXmipy+93dJHpRb4s5miWh IyNNy0XqJGI/moKVQPTOnlLlcpOs X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RfApD5PQ5jFMd8Z05Mi1N1nKpLbpfJXTKZgA7HHZbzBabqrjEZ8ejXeVw778Xmpmx9GOzm7Q== X-Received: by 10.200.43.78 with SMTP id 14mr11873715qtv.72.1509737302321; Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-10337.lan (pool-64-222-228-124.port.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.222.228.124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s27sm4501044qtj.3.2017.11.03.12.28.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EE825A10-1AA1-42A8-AC72-4D39DF3CCB3C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 15:28:19 -0400 References: <878tfnp4sn.fsf@nemesis.taht.net> To: Dave Taht , bloat , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <878tfnp4sn.fsf@nemesis.taht.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Update Cake page on bufferbloat.net? X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 19:28:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EE825A10-1AA1-42A8-AC72-4D39DF3CCB3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Nov 3, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> I saw a blog posting that was enthusing about codel/fq_codel, and I = was moved to >> respond that the state of the art was now cake. >=20 > where? This article = (https://www.pcmech.com/article/bufferbloat-fix-slow-network/ = ) is a = pretty sub-standard explanation of bufferbloat. But I didn't want to = come across as the "smartest (smart-ass) guy in the room" My plan was to gently correct the worst errors/misperceptions ("it's the = bottleneck, stupid") and say that the state of the art had moved ahead, = even of fq_codel, then point to the Cake page on the site. >> But I looked at the Cake page on Bufferbloat.net = and wonder if everything there >> is true, or whether it would be good to update >> it. https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake/ = >=20 > It's pretty much true. Good. I will try this weekend to organize that info into a page that = would serve well readers like those from the pcmech.com = site who're new to the subject, and curious about = Cake/Bufferbloat. Rich= --Apple-Mail=_EE825A10-1AA1-42A8-AC72-4D39DF3CCB3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Nov 3, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Taht <dave@taht.net> = wrote:

I saw a blog posting that = was enthusing about codel/fq_codel, and I was moved to
respond that the state of the art was now cake.

where?

This = article (https://www.pcmech.com/article/bufferbloat-fix-slow-network/) is a pretty sub-standard explanation of bufferbloat. But I = didn't want to come across as the "smartest (smart-ass) guy in the = room"


But I looked at the Cake = page on Bufferbloat.net and wonder if everything = there
is true, or whether it would be good to update
it. https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake/

It's pretty much true.

Good. I will try this weekend to organize that info into a = page that would serve well readers like those from the pcmech.com site who're = new to the subject, and curious about Cake/Bufferbloat.

Rich
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