From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFC243B2A4 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 04:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id j68-v6so19022071lfg.13 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 01:50:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ns2MQs2QbdifHY/f9hQdX7eGn9/9N/JDp4gRhRjCgUc=; b=eY0Pt/7QIFm/VsFoWXOzY6dFW78xJjlE6soxjxXXtK/ThLKodR0tFwUbFM+bxultTs rXXPt0RvbHDLx7lszVWbH4YqC58IqbVF1Eh9uLplWC3mJy9zgCGb22CuI6P9oeBvYjP5 4XojCp5JA2BU2ZBsOV8u8jRTt4gX58l+UZJsq2Ccdz+dlLKakN+XLbKvn9t1XCzehyoI XaGMJE77rNOZAi2sux8HeJq/fiVv7apwfaX6vycGjvd1FIZtd4iD/y4FcDky2MooUuWA jCDneoXRta6DwDksxBxNI04+gpei725aMJI+8u3tTOatAyS2rRXvjmMLWU7VNa+v//uZ adtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ns2MQs2QbdifHY/f9hQdX7eGn9/9N/JDp4gRhRjCgUc=; b=PPmcR2LAH52S2SbzIMCq54amvLaVb7ECVUrBhTLhtJYijGAUwmLAXHzz3QQyJ6Dh0z Vo2KVHe8/HdaOazL7Ksokh81bMJCx1lVDq0+jgAGAArZogwT/QwWmn77SZyGYN4E/NMj 7iVZAW6/aoVqH8An3g2bOf+j5bkQ4gXveitfAe8dAfevBMSfFwifA5lAJ6awsIdasCl4 8biqzy9MK5JazW5Sj+2ajkebrQx26k68czZBM5ce2rYEnl4O8Oexbz7034WCvxw1k1FH hQy945FOoGUbjWXe1DVV/+dWKnGDurtzV7EUVWvzm7O6WND9YJBhAC4RVfsuNTC16cYY 7KgA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAT9w+m4Gd9nnLhZ+xnZo7u/7iTog97jlpTIAs48fBQLHlSQrWZ 8skZ/r4vCtjepa/CXA3yCIM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrdauqMiI84GSeOk94We5OhmgkPU0KmRquSOpBN+q6YDqiiVq22UJH+wII6HKcvg87rxnH6UQ== X-Received: by 2002:a19:5d58:: with SMTP id p24-v6mr6531337lfj.28.1524559823572; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 01:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-234-255-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.234.255]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i20sm2669675ljg.7.2018.04.24.01.50.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Apr 2018 01:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <87o9i97zyh.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:50:21 +0300 Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Pete Heist , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <871sf6xqne.fsf@toke.dk> <0E96CBE1-B3B8-4E2A-BB09-1EEDD4E390BF@gmx.de> <87o9i97zyh.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Subject: Re: [Cake] Pre-print of Cake paper available X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 08:50:24 -0000 > I think, if we wanted to support the ISP case, that a per-customer = *shaper* is more useful. Yes, I think the technology can be recoded to better suit a = multi-subscriber environment; it would no longer be Cake, but would use = some of the same key algorithms. - Jonathan Morton