From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr0-x235.google.com (mail-wr0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDFF23BA8E for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 03:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x235.google.com with SMTP id o12-v6so1899754wrm.12 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:04:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=saBQ4uQhxZXsVt4YTah6h+KMiQ6DYiGaBVVh3tYUn1k=; b=Pql41cfs75KNtj7Q7H5GRPmLfk8ly32J3DWRj0k4O7QBkZLT4C5PNNWNDkZM4gsQB7 LqhbYbhkRkoSO8nU/bkaq1Aum72VqbY6iYTlbHv/tfeUPUiZjR4tq5gEDQCqhBcXssWF U6ji7R8FanZaAs/u18fQM/sP+aCpMOwywbP5th02URgdK51uKeo4IDqkk+JJ0tXFLwch GG2QpQzn3rcFXjkg9IXN1CSu8txJMpsDcukwt7U9WOHmfJTUuKLc126lsq6Xnd0okrqM /HOgyxgL3dXbAXc3ZyzAaTbNwSGcnvyAXmVGeQuOa0Jkk7Oy1XKPt/StkLjjgn1ZLeOK PHhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=saBQ4uQhxZXsVt4YTah6h+KMiQ6DYiGaBVVh3tYUn1k=; b=ciKZiffj5dEFIRPmsVpaOIYnNKWOgTJi5GHnIwq8KB2njKYgmVhfIOIw57X+l0EZtE IKzEEMNjp/t1tlfETb43g2Y1XfyraX+FtErdOlfbji3pqCrgNaT57qgYtYg5SbPBKbcZ si4rsJ3h+zEDJvqnFNAdJof3at+kMoE+MUb7VnIJf9FlJ2QHADj9Zhih8Akt05IJPzvb dJkvridMW13tIZ0g4yFSsyn2Erixem+wsyTmPh3S/i4gAIF0TpBxkBUjyrYuILrFjs9+ jls6Uo6T6rhSoRbuRwrhJexaqEgtNSkDs73TcyrDYeOIQ6por/6byT2QD+o77AYTTBUh BUSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1Ay8BHSgTNRIKjJPFFD/MiQbXsDe2QUVJnTD8Ihtqt97gE5FoR jJ6hnyyu+rqSGDR7svxy3Dw2nnMtKAE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIjOuD/sN3eKIuziYhAEDXW/m/DMfQUAhnlXkctYzKYSpfkvw5YRyUCagnCigW/5xYXS33SgQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:ace7:: with SMTP id o94-v6mr21511427wrc.34.1529564658861; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f81-v6sm7140245wmh.32.2018.06.21.00.04.17 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:04:17 +0200 Cc: Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:04:20 -0000 > On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very > powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues. >=20 > I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more > focus than that. Ok, I=E2=80=99ve finally got a few freer days coming up, so I=E2=80=99ll = see if I can=E2=80=99t make progress on backed up tasks, then maybe = write something up on this. Might retreat from the lists meanwhile. On slide #4: Ubiquity -> Ubiquiti. And consider adding Verizon. My = mother has Verizon Fios (50Mbit symmetric fiber) near Philly and that = was the connection I referred to earlier- it just doesn=E2=80=99t feel = like 50Mbit symmetric fiber should. As a side note, Google as a whole seems responsible as far as the big = four go when it comes to bloat (and other things). BBR advanced the = state of things, and they financed it after all, so it deserves some = appreciation, to the devs as well. Worth mentioning in this preso? :) I like the Cake vs Sonic Fiber slide, and would like to hear the = commentary. In case they video the presentation, do post a link. Best of = luck!=