From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C9AF21F820 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u-089-d066.biologie.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.89.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ln897-1aHAkP00J3-00hJrP for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 18:18:40 +0200 From: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:18:38 +0200 References: To: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Bcq20NUOC/nSICOPaODl/3na3v5UCqRWcHT0pnsF5BYF6DrNbgP Gozp/BDrZtuHYf8A/fzFKOmNeV2PsqjU0rI1an6aUWl9ft+/AUW+JJpsZsG4sEy2WyKlrYH +Q6qNTxPhRrdXR8yPBejrhIM1oY9hfP2bBsB47g/xNQCsTXkXYKCrtjaURXLEZyvKa5trRg WLOonQXMa1Xmm4c5e2Ujw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:JCylw1J4qXA=:qrwTK2BJW5dUMWIKAFemiE yH4Q/zM428REHGQhIR+OXGbVXiE09gucuz29NV+hGR0LnYltl1LXoprWjFDImmtNOnimymAp/ Ak/s3jnSjkTzOhrncIwCU+XE48LN7oyW0H3tVZkCN58h+XivlerGy0TorZbA70mxqXUvZh4Cz HpEzx6YvKYp1O5oQqtUY5KX/R5TYyo5Qw2Nraq1SUJuiNka6oZ/MmtrC8m37NF7cYdw8Vgqce wEQF+4apGXJtucH3lLS3v7ObRPw0es8hNSna0BtCOcZ5hga1k/hnuJMADHSVMfgPJmfPpDRDa 9t609MGcHj+TgykkRzDl2/wma23vQ8KzELLCQLtfV4qjjK0PwGVUP7xyyAxMAJUKjBVZclR5p NonVMPx6XCZUO0Pqp1t/Rs4Thbd1czheextA40n5N6THkH3b2jWrsAHIiqw9KE3RUcn1bJf30 +fkUUlnZ2W/BUux+UTn8/qREyso6tn7seGGBJh3aIZG1PkVg5KU7bdOZicu6WtxbznHm0azaW s3AL8RNeFMrEXao5oUOc/cG/fJFcmJj85i1fua4BNFo9D7IGSeZ2Md8XcgszGy/vOwQlUC1xj 2HYy9StdwJ77IKozIeYH4WN5AVJ5XxDfZIjGRexCt64Tws+9SVn8X7xqt7DplkACac/HWmo0/ qwrDvq5/pPXkqTkjd2ZvEq2YHv/TxccyWK/rxzlE0TnegHKG+nsg59Stcf4lJ7q5JeKNodRb8 2f3tmCFQHeb5tgVbeXXjJwjgqcJtEeh8XXRB+Jku/wE1UzWWotNlL+1XpGrWks4GfjrOlDZZD YoRcPgE Subject: [Cake] Fwd: flow_hash vs host_hash X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:19:13 -0000 Dear list,=20 I promise one of these days I am going to learn to use reply all instead = of just reply; it is just not today it seems=85 So let me add basically = a me too to Jonathan and David... Best Regards Sebastian Begin forwarded message: > From: Sebastian Moeller > Subject: Re: [Cake] flow_hash vs host_hash > Date: October 6, 2015 at 15:38:02 GMT+2 > To: Dave T=E4ht >=20 > Hi Dave, >=20 > On Oct 6, 2015, at 14:51 , Dave Taht wrote: >=20 >> In most scenarios the top level hash for per station queuing on >> ethernet would be >> source or destination macaddr, thus bypassing ipv4 or ipv6. >=20 > Silly question, is this also true for a routed segment? I was = under the impression that if wlan and lan are not bridged in a router = packets being passed to the WAN interface all carry the router=92s MAC = address as SRC, in other words that MAC addresses are only reliable in = individual L2-segments=85 (this in turn could be used as an argument for = L2-bridging in smallish home environments) >=20 > Best Regards > Sebastian >=20 >>=20 >> Then below that goes the 5 tuple. >>=20 >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >>> Hi Jonathan, >>>=20 >>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:44 , Jonathan Morton = wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 6 Oct, 2015, at 11:39, Toke H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sebastian Moeller writes: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ah, I see. I guess you are right, but on egress we could get back = to >>>>>> the pre-nat addresses, like Vincent does in nxt_routed_hfsc.qos? >>>>=20 >>>> I can=92t immediately see how that works. >>>>=20 >>>>> Ah, so there is a hook to get those; cool. Just need to make sure = Cake >>>>> uses that, then :) >>>>=20 >>>> I think the better solution would be to implement that in the flow = dissector. Then Cake (and all other relevant qdiscs) will receive that = information automatically. >>>=20 >>> Certainly. But all of this hopefully does impede the = implementation of the dual-flow-classifiying cake-mode; as even without = those refinements the dual-mode should work well for IPv6 (assuming = people do not game this by using excessive amounts of addresses per = host) and non-NATed IPv4=85 >>>=20 >>> Best Regards >>> Sebastian >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> - Jonathan Morton >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cake mailing list >>> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Dave T=E4ht >> Do you want faster, better, wifi? https://www.patreon.com/dtaht >=20