From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr0-x22a.google.com (mail-wr0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 095AB3B29E for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y42so16956058wrd.3 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:51:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=JjTnOPlgNFXvBpoAzUL1XWcDU180yN3YJB96mzFsXLw=; b=PiM7owxbdP28nzdwoRUAyjStS3jvZw7IWYikr7BprXCwqcTDVLW52ScUgqBHwKdD+o Yu/vC3kO220cPTuYL6CFBxIt3APchY+MTpWwfeWhOuaBOGbz5/88rHGJ4Fqsf9+F+HCu RIGp9mZGuFQxwuMsAA48y5wOM4Q8WOJcQDnnALHuv9PrGuajZfLsRt2jlHYG+MYoSxfZ hhPLjGocuqOHPgY+Ta4YMFmKvJhtfu8QM6neNs3NNHBWNX28hEqR41E+xE9BjrGzSLjJ NrhTcKwbeARbbiyUNlaXHE1KTAFK3PmHVXXFg2KKlXiQb6YLt/FAwLYe2aZ0dQF8ax4t neuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=JjTnOPlgNFXvBpoAzUL1XWcDU180yN3YJB96mzFsXLw=; b=jRKB49KvXSOzhkXW4+4ZuWzwXHTDumdA16ll+Qx3TCXkgN+QgIaHAhVYZjUsRAoKhS fe5o1QoQNFDMGL+tBXGkn5dzX8H/l/MfyoxrJ3NBUSWPj+2kRtVVTjN6Xr5kQODQ51xR alowfPG+qx3JYVasJGRMXtpenuQ6nsdi5qF6FfFQRwMUaYeXSv1y7f5GPS78LvSHxDZn csn2OrnzUt37WhazoErV6EWkDg7H6H8l+CyiTr90GeGz0wdoi+GfDzSplyun2vImVKx5 JG0RmcwrV99CJJ9TX/MLElqCqBF8SfC5fMCuiSjLi5HquFFagM5GXN+m6EYzB+nLWl/G N90A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7GwPdFTWXt0kciCj/gmKpnL+yMMj5VY8mIP2AJ5GWRl9wLwsb6 wla/CWMVnBIuS3k79R0FmJNexWix X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZJPnAPbZfL2FwQJtY8nUcvEJJrW+MaKHueJtFJQjLGX/XQgpb+ptiJAfNUsS9AGO9cDWcmHg== X-Received: by 10.223.139.73 with SMTP id v9mr10221370wra.77.1510653115872; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.72.0.130] (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.99.119.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q124sm3479042wma.18.2017.11.14.01.51.54 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:51:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:51:53 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] Donation X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:51:57 -0000 > On Nov 12, 2017, at 6:00 PM, cake-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote: >=20 > I sometimes think we should establish an organization, with a board of > directors, a bank account, etc, but aside > from grant money, donated computers and computer time, and all the > massive efforts of all the volunteers, that's most of the donations > we've ever got, and it would be, at least, 800 bucks to start a > non-profit, + an accountant to "do right". >=20 > Any and all thoughts as to how to do better are welcomed. >=20 > We could have a bake sale for cake, to get it mainlined. Has there been any thought towards monetizing some portion of the = bufferbloat project to help pay for it? Here are a couple of ideas: - Make a network and bloat testing service with a subscription tier or = advertising supported free tier. Proceeds could at first fund the server = resources needed, and maybe there=E2=80=99d be something left over. I = don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s anything out there that=E2=80=99s = more technically oriented and measures one-way delay, or differentiates = between upstream and downstream packet loss, or has some of flent=E2=80=99= s features like TCP RTT or the myriad of tests it supports, for = starters. I really don=E2=80=99t know if anyone would pay a subscription = fee for this though, or how much ad revenue would be possible. - I=E2=80=99m intrigued by the idea of a cooperative or so-called = =E2=80=9Cplatform cooperative". In this case, individuals or companies = could pay a monthly or annual fee to either just support the effort, or = get access to a higher level of support, the bloat testing service, or = specific code changes, etc. Any income beyond what=E2=80=99s needed to = meet expenses could be distributed to its members somehow. This is a = vague idea so far, I know. But I=E2=80=99ve been pretty impressed with = how well the cooperative ISP I use works (lbcfree.net), and at its = apparent resiliency over time. Though, the service they offer to their = customers may be more clearly defined (=E2=80=9Cbecome a member, get = Internet=E2=80=9D). By the way, what or how much is needed to get Cake mainlined?