From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FCB43B29E for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1736541259; x=1737146059; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=S5lybsaFnD9yIDnEvMtFhMfYbRCGH4nL3RDOYuBx77k=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=fguZzUh8RX6Z8C4ZlX3fIn5bNE8Ihjyu83brpjpVWlCLsxaqXYzlGK7d5dHKkpKE mrWVcF7IX0L1fLKc83sqh9b90a8AUZMfGhK/H4RJl23DjwPsuWcT4CkQuoj/VCKFM vVHZq5+0pJHTycsj1X1KmYJIqav3hkx0p3Qbn55vkUnnjlEaS7u0ss+MysYS+M7hc zbw6yI0Sx6LUtIrA80HsVPbL+OMhajnk5stCa23M0XqjV0IoS3ziqgJBy56vy4odZ 74HG2eII3c/MvR3WT94a4Wh0W3GlYMw7E4+/6NXueIDpmHPir3tYRjZd7ixg2L2s7 slKwa5953TyCLCu26w== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.8.251.184]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MyKHm-1tMP2M40Wy-013cT9; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:34:19 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:34:08 +0100 Cc: Jonathan Morton , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20250110155531.300303-1-toke@redhat.com> <2FE6B2E2-9A34-47C1-B203-F0C424F00704@gmx.de> <898E9FB0-D92E-4421-8CCD-1B9F4A3D9D5D@gmail.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:iPBTLOIVqP/rOj08E3C9Cbtqol4lyijYpTOpi8is+n1nAflQVaR 2HijMXpm+8gdx9XcjT2AGDExnlV0FhWkuQj4Rx16cddJTh9td3rTDSf0/6NVbZKIfyv2lvL LGycIbIYWc3uYVSFMl5UYNCRn+4Wy5Ub6QWVky8iKjlW3Q0oMXLHKD+dKIVnIl5VDT+PfEf c7qCKqbOEUuvi0svXV5VA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:4T4qPQlzBkY=;dZpRHd9vsQED7VgJEFUuFvy/pTp BgAJsB34v1BjS0uhCmDWyhgEybQB/MPAZlB5NpZ+I7v4Nb4dX6OkGrVdt593ynU5s69TvkOIs /FVt/kQvAF8FT+zJUpEDjapqeKJ2jr58h6DrGse8zUADnS6gARcG28yqE1bWqY+yRvKzOG+Un SW/a0Z88qA8VP6DaQcqaTBnLnwK52cElTE8ah2aBMGsYDCCGqUwQStMeMiKmTRrEMphIOtlfN FawVs+aqBKqaQEqMni1hfdZEYEsP+D0rfqJLf2HVNK9KwMLwSXl0zVL3Z42620/hSL12oXxKO +pRJDmDFbTWpQafOLshF9++tRNca+n2HsRO8uwg9r5FD6NnoipbFCYQr7e7typgp0ETSzkHDc IOduLhO09PIgJf7LZ8/8eunO1K9xjGbdnGtAkoKAFjVTSI4OmtkA4HItodJdLbT0UWoJHBuDU fdAb1suHT+8/nmcFKHm+TDrJn4bLM5+77KIzzsVdbqn5Xi4u55BTQSSvI0yezl33pGR1h/5eE PkYHHPmyjjlAVOPsLy7a5/qxQAlI1WqGBESDLttnGCCLjd8NeVkpT3U1b+NBJAKP3zAhVzf1K KLyBng/LIV76ccFaESYt5/gUOlxstQ18g6qzfxKSJPr/Xw4Q8xIV8Rekj2k1x9yXeSblKR9NF j5W5AaQEAv9Grg5hPA8RGwTB5UkOcq8g4BO969uthgU7dsrrH32nn0tRScSYGCZ6MGN2U5sYu eTg/IICS69hAbMJgz/M/zEfY5BpPMcNm+9YA9Z/k7WT3wOVC6urXyCJ1CO3iRUGuhG8QIDz1V fLZR2AsivYwkzBZ6BUSag2jKY5hqmE2+Vz/uxEWoYL/K00dXHebpdIVUupvmSao7lntSrY0cN glTr37hDQBPJIEcEPdGkdEAFHlHLHJJmi2SfI1YBsTROzAmZhwNFtNqE4Zq9XJpDvjoWAkQGz tBPQdoVlEJ80s7eSqR6Qf4UqH0Ahn13Wgdil3UMhTIvxVlxrNC1TIzCrLkz7f7oA+z6JbuIZ1 WqazFTSqZenGUxysgkcbRlOoLxrT1fLePYKdLpbqDc33sV/YS0unhIjGBc9C+VnC/1dzgaQZh x31t0gk1HgsF1gAz1G6PjlsLg3xKxX Subject: Re: [Cake] [PATCH net-next] sched: sch_cake: Align QoS treatment to Windows and Zoom X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:34:23 -0000 Hi Dave, > On 10. Jan 2025, at 20:43, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > ok, I concede on NQB. Do we at least have agreement that CS5 belongs > in the VI queue, not the VO queue, on diffserv4? As I said, I have less issues with bumping things down than up (but I am = also just voicing my opinion here, thanks for discussing, I am fine = ending up in the "rough" here). About Zoom = (h++ps://support.zoom.com/hc/en/article?id=3Dzm_kb&sysparm_article=3DKB006= 6617): "The default Zoom DSCP marking values are 56 for audio, 40 for video, = and 40 for screen sharing. You can update audio and video values to = allow a network administrator to adjust the priority for Zoom traffic on = their network." That 56 is CS7 for audio which I am pretty sure will not pass most of = the internet (I believe the IETF recommends to drop CS7 on ingress from = other ASs)... either they wanted to write 46 (EF) or they are just as = confused as the WiFi WMM folks... >=20 > On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 9:43=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Morton = wrote: >>=20 >>> On 10 Jan, 2025, at 7:07 pm, Dave Taht via Cake = wrote: >>>=20 >>> I do not think NQB belongs in Voice (which shares priority with >>> netcontrol, etc). I also do not think it belongs in best effort as = the >>> intent is to get a quick response to a short flow. yes, FQ solves a >>> lot of problems, but >>=20 >> As far as I'm concerned, FQ implements everything that NQB wants. In = a system implementing FQ, treating NQB traffic as best-effort is the = Right Thing. >>=20 >> And I second the notion that slavishly copying wthe broken default = behaviour of WiFi routers is the Wrong Thing. >>=20 >> - Jonathan Morton >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos