From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr0-x22c.google.com (mail-wr0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9294C3B2A4 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id o12-v6so19877936wrm.12 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 03:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=9NO0inD4u2YCkO6kQz6IkTNVYs5pqv4ORqRrnWyZY0Q=; b=WUroZhOMPAx6/PwsuvzQdpTmYWwMC45TP3U97SvetaTWeo4M5riTtCl7BAIo7YhhT0 mOTxjWwD5niaFbitZCOMF7vrAMfHBsZnVsLo5BPnN+xUNKSrGm1p28szy2p3nvjP5G1B 3FaIYm5AaQlw+Ub3M4FIS86uu49Ks3vEZKbg4P60AnKIwtAuAUd3fE+hqmaqU0egxESs n0Wq/S3S+jG6jjJ9USh5NnM9Azp45cOi2EzSSQMgYA4wHXY2AdYjF/cQ3dPVKZboDKqF HgbwR5nKGJUi2AlBu/4t4SAqcnjylIXlsyTx76tHX+6ktxgArIWX1r/xIdhNh1HWXHbY eHlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=9NO0inD4u2YCkO6kQz6IkTNVYs5pqv4ORqRrnWyZY0Q=; b=ItpmFw/OirWG5zq3Q5BhlAikSMnqwWpk0b8/O5FLUuU1iHJ7Klg3BMW/qsdM/C2Tw9 iy8uyA8LTDGnJpCTvM+5TYVPBgWek0JQnzmBiuGszNmv7gU0C00rHzISrcI03wh4mmKE l53XV8+Hj5JXq2mCB7xxee9fdc+rz4c11hT3PpJjtP95OboxMkz8YrI6sznawhdcdBq8 WednPDCEKD+HYQhQt9veHmxHm6KxvsUkmgp0xnMKPlhshZM23ozHQ8wX3IJu8LMXDz2S a7PQ463GUoKl0O5wY4eMqgaP0UnJ0kwfbHzp8+GEEw7jqY9shXesFNC1U5UZA9DvGvFu EaTA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3w8ccSmDqCf2EOmt9JOxLkcR1t0fyd/wn0t7RhHGQK8qCP74fA xD3FE7lP5FXab228almu8gpka8oL0Vw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJsk3CpEEoJHItuTaR5IFQDuyMV3QBHPP0H+ZxE+MD4vv0X8xIjYZPotbZUAup4RRh/s71pcw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:ef4f:: with SMTP id c15-v6mr12470373wrp.182.1529402659727; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 03:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j131-v6sm17794360wmg.24.2018.06.19.03.04.19 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jun 2018 03:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <87in6ft81g.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:04:18 +0200 Cc: Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <87in6ft81g.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 10:04:20 -0000 > On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Pete Heist writes: >=20 >> Whether or not it helps with the upcoming talk or future plans, I=E2=80= =99m >> thinking about the most recent experience with trying to upstream = Cake >> and how to break the stalemate. >=20 > Not sure there is a stalemate, actually. I just ran out of time to do > further revisions; planning to take that up again. Don't see any = reason > why we shouldn't be able to succeed in getting Cake upstream in its > current form(ish) in just a few more revisions (or, who knows, maybe a > dozen more; better not jinx it ;)). Ah, ok, so I may have mis-interpreted some of the =E2=80=9Cwe won=E2=80=99= t accept it unless=E2=80=9D statements, which I got lost in. :) Then just take the rest of it as other thoughts for when there=E2=80=99s = time / energy=E2=80=A6