From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E23E3B25D for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 09:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.69.206.8] ([80.187.102.34]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lck9X-1bM3TZ1tFn-00k6VB; Sun, 01 May 2016 15:26:42 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <571BC61C.4070008@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <571BD3BC.2090405@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sebastian Moeller Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 15:27:11 +0200 To: Alec Robertson ,cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:rt9qPjPKe9AwGDI9INl9cS9aKKveA9z+LPgvlW6OwE6t8rfm8nC 2O0YuJlGG25DvLZDJQHsAoWjzJG5KtrzLGv9BiYvPLFomJ02QFJyF5/0Zk37gXPenpX2QUn Tq3PtxXYZtUqyPQhsoCRii+0LE38tBhCeRyvEWfLfiAFCF3gJf9TUz5PWH2dD+k3EI1ako3 GNBwyqX5z0KxG0zDCUg4g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5HaVdxfBk4c=:02rJsAySCjJipZeBm0trQt wSC+aCLDBwbqjH+xBTgGqEylcm/zDxSdp1f9SukYcxqy3klFerksRrbFq/aXC8ZqQ3CNZDK99 fSin2jKzPV4Fy5EEzAQS90G0S/kelwHuIoMutHmDvAvrCPK+q1ZTaiELvjduKy5n5RV5I3EBm SQPHDlsMHsD7MBHBbfcrNRq5R4ZnFZyNF2oN7EajBRpF6TbXrsPnc2R/c8gcq/jDwaHAW7w4E 6Kse5LT41FYPyGEL8hiy7kNhIs0nIRR4+XAhmBu4Q3FBMCYGMabB69aRbWEtHdrBtz5bl++pK gTloYxC2t8uYk+gDMB/9hPMegQ1o27ErNS5FpWrjSrXD6/M1F8BZZiNHWiBMCOZF90GiEK2fV S7dcPa5Q6NzSgFVVICwbJbR8ZlkHVdoHv8aLnCOmBcZEJhWW1KloxBmjm98NspiU5LiYEKL+e siU+Ne+sU5dL7WW5MjkLn7pQbhNc33+EVtMmFDb4VXcfcnw6q9sXFqxUYjF8GQ8fJNqf4JPM6 JVeKxBrgX4BGfcx3jrwqhxFd6+LRCAg3dvc0HgbV/D98OcS+Oiyd/jRwf9EcfvpZhpB1oCs0o Dux4rTR3WJg4GzoEK6N3CJ0RMMRP2fPbYNSGjm7ZCJ8oq/bffNqyGGe8ev9KeoBrUM3TMp+AL EoLb4Bq9LG61FX9vig2H4/3zbO/RjWemZneRsWBoGIOe6bXVsz7YhI0hdwoHufoKCv0cdTyk2 3f2jhl0gXw/ra6JYFXOy8Xlu/gYgP1LY4cp7TDLcFb8aMt6dLvElLqlTs18pIhKjgFHPgWOud xX7Mwfv Subject: Re: [Cake] Beating bufferbloat X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 13:26:45 -0000 Hi Alec On May 1, 2016 2:18:06 PM GMT+02:00, Alec Robertson wrote: >Dear All, > >I now have the TP-Link Archer C7=2E Would it be possible to have a >walkthrough of setting it up to beat bufferbloat on my FTTC connection? Rich Brown wrote a nice introduction/How-To specifically for openwrt, whic= h can be found under https://wiki=2Eopenwrt=2Eorg/doc/howto/sqm and there i= s a companion Text about the uci variables under https://wiki=2Eopenwrt=2Eo= rg/doc/uci/sqm Please let us know if there are any questions left or if the= results are less than satisfactory ;)=2E=2E=2E Best Regards Sebastian > >--=C2=A0 >Alec Robertson > >On 29 April 2016 at 3:58:55 pm, Dave Taht (dave=2Etaht@gmail=2Ecom) wrote= : > >I am using this build=2E one thing that failed twice recently was the =20 >dnscrypt stuff (for no reason I can discern)=2E I ended up disabling it = =20 >this morning=2E =20 > >On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Arie wrote: = =20 >> If you want a very recent cake version, you could use my build from >here: =20 >> http://ariekanarie=2Enl/openwrt/mvebu/ It's based on the very feature >heavy =20 >> OpenWRT build by trondah ( >https://forum=2Eopenwrt=2Eorg/viewtopic=2Ephp?id=3D50914 =20 >> ), but using more recent cerowrt and cake stuff=2E =20 >> =20 >> You'll want to flash the shelby factory=2Eimg if still on stock >firmware, else =20 >> shelby sysupgrade=2Etar=2E =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> On 24 April 2016 at 00:22, Alec Robertson >wrote: =20 >>> =20 >>> Dear All, =20 >>> =20 >>> I=E2=80=99ve realised that I have been responding to Kevin rather than= to >the =20 >>> mailing list - my bad! =20 >>> =20 >>> I think I will purchase a Linksys WRT1900ACS as it seems to be >fairly well =20 >>> regarded and is easily accessible in the UK=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> How do I go about setting up Cake on it? =20 >>> =20 >>> -- =20 >>> Alec Robertson =20 >>> =20 >>> On 23 April 2016 at 9:00:52 pm, Alec Robertson >(alecrobertson13@gmail=2Ecom) =20 >>> wrote: =20 >>> =20 >>> Dear Kevin, =20 >>> =20 >>> I did look at the Linksys WRT1200AC but it seems to get some rather >poor =20 >>> reviews on Amazon? =20 >>> =20 >>> -- =20 >>> Alec Robertson =20 >>> =20 >>> On 23 April 2016 at 8:58:02 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant =20 >>> (kevin@darbyshire-bryant=2Eme=2Euk) wrote: =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> On 23/04/2016 20:42, Alec Robertson wrote: =20 >>> =20 >>> Dear Kevin, =20 >>> =20 >>> That=E2=80=99s very useful thanks=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> You say the TP-LINK Archer C7 should just be okay=2E What could I get >that I =20 >>> know will last me for a long time? What=E2=80=99s got good WiFi range = too? =20 >>> =20 >>> The honest answer is I've absolutely no idea and I'm in that dilemma >=20 >>> myself=2E There's a remake of the linksys WRT range (WRT1200????) that >=20 >>> apparently is very powerful, I guess the issue is how far along >OpenWrt is=2E =20 >>> I might have the wrong end of hte stick but I think Dave Taht may >have =20 >>> something working=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> Apologies, I'm not really a mine of information=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I=E2=80=99m using powerline at the moment but fed up with it disconnec= ting=2E >I =20 >>> think it is probably the TP-LINK adaptors I am using (known issue =20 >>> apparently) but wiring up the house is unpractical at the moment=2E I >don=E2=80=99t =20 >>> think there is a better solution really=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> -- =20 >>> Alec Robertson =20 >>> =20 >>> On 23 April 2016 at 8:00:00 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant =20 >>> (kevin@darbyshire-bryant=2Eme=2Euk) wrote: =20 >>> =20 >>> Hi Alec, =20 >>> =20 >>> I'm not familiar with TalkTalk but they sound like they do similar =20 >>> things to Sky - Sky just need a 'login ID' as part of the DHCP >request =20 >>> packet (which funnily enough are the PPPoA/E login details) =20 >>> =20 >>> In terms of speed sacrifice, erm, none really=2E I've set 40mpbs >incoming =20 >>> and 9990kbps for outgoing on a 40000/9999 link as reported by the =20 >>> modem=2E Probably critically I've set the packet overheads to 12, and >I =20 >>> now can't remember why=2E=2E=2E there's an on-wire vlan tag (4 bytes) = but >the =20 >>> reason for the other 8 have fallen out of the brain cell=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> I've a semi-regular backup job overnight that on a bad day overruns >into =20 >>> the day - a week or so ago it ran for something like 2 days and I >had =20 >>> absolutely no idea - thinkbroadband's ping monitor was registering =20 >>> something like an extra 5mS latency over the baseline, peaks were =20 >>> something like 25mS - backup stats and openwrt's stats package were=20 > >>> registering the full 10mbps uplink in use during that time=2E =20 >>> =20 >>> Does that help? =20 >>> =20 >>> Kevin =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> On 23/04/16 19:40, Alec Robertson wrote: =20 >>> > Dear Kevin, =20 >>> > =20 >>> > I am on TalkTalk which uses IPoE, so no PPPoE use at all, as far >as I =20 >>> > know=2E I certainly haven=E2=80=99t ever configured login details=2E= =20 >>> > =20 >>> > How much speed do you have to sacrifice on your connection to =20 >>> > eliminate bufferbloat? =20 >>> > =20 >>> > -- =20 >>> > Alec Robertson =20 >>> > =20 >>> > On 23 April 2016 at 10:46:35 am, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant =20 >>> > (kevin@darbyshire-bryant=2Eme=2Euk >) =20 >>> =20 >>> > wrote: =20 >>> > =20 >>> >> Hi Alec, =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> A brief appearance from me whilst I have a spare few seconds=2E =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> Not stupid! =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> There=E2=80=99s an obvious question: Why are Billion still shipping >buffer =20 >>> >> bloated devices? Have they been sent graphs/demos/logs of how >their =20 >>> >> kit is faulty? =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> To offer some hopefully constructive pointers: For FTTC service >I=E2=80=99m =20 >>> >> guessing you=E2=80=99ll be using the Billion as a vdsl modem=2E Who= =E2=80=99s the >ISP? =20 >>> >> AFAIK anyone other than Sky will need to run PPPoE and hence hit >the =20 >>> >> 1492 MTU restriction *unless* the Billion supports mini jumbo >frames =20 >>> >> on the ethernet side and the PPPoE MTU extension (the rfc number=20 > >>> >> escapes the brain at the moment) Sky don=E2=80=99t use PPP and just= run =20 >>> >> ethernet frames over PTM=E2=80=A6=2E=2Ethe way it should be=2E The = incoming =20 >>> >> packets from ISP to you are policed at something close to sync >rate, =20 >>> >> this is part of the BT specification=2E The uplink of course can be >as =20 >>> >> bloated as hell ;-) =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> I use an Archer C7 with BT=E2=80=99s equally horrendously bloated H= G612 >vdsl =20 >>> >> modem on a 40/10 link with sky as my isp=2E In terms of CPU usage >it=E2=80=99s =20 >>> >> about 1% per megabit so a full 40/10 uses around 55% cpu, I think >=20 >>> >> there=E2=80=99s enough for your 60/20=E2=80=A6just=2E =20 >>> >> >https://middling=2Eme=2Euk/blog/2015/03/customising-openwrt-to-my-needs/ = =20 >>> >> offers further advice which I found useful=2E =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> Kevin =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >> =20 >>> >>> On 22 Apr 2016, at 23:01, Alec Robertson >>> >>> > wrote: =20 >>> >>> =20 >>> >>> Hi all, =20 >>> >>> =20 >>> >>> I=E2=80=99ve been out of the bufferbloat game for a while and want= to >try =20 >>> >>> and beat it once again=2E =20 >>> >>> =20 >>> >>> I=E2=80=99ve got an FTTC connection (UK) which I get around 60Mbps= on >but =20 >>> >>> with horrible bufferbloat on my Billion 8800NL=2E What router >should I =20 >>> >>> get that can run OpenWRT and handle this connection? Do the >newest =20 >>> >>> builds of OpenWRT have cake built-in now via sqm-scripts or >would I =20 >>> >>> need to install this manually=2E If so, how would I do this? =20 >>> >>> =20 >>> >>> Would appreciate any help and apologies if I come off in any way >=20 >>> >>> stupid=2E =20 >>> >>> =20 >>> >>> -- =20 >>> >>> Alec Robertson =20 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ =20 >>> >>> Cake mailing list =20 >>> >>> Cake@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet =20 >>> >>> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cake =20 >>> >> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> ________________________________ =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> -- =20 >>> Thanks, =20 >>> =20 >>> Kevin@Darbyshire-Bryant=2Eme=2Euk =20 >>> M: +44 7947 355344 H: +44 1256 478597 =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> _______________________________________________ =20 >>> Cake mailing list =20 >>> Cake@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet =20 >>> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cake =20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ =20 >> Cake mailing list =20 >> Cake@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet =20 >> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cake =20 >> =20 > > > >-- =20 >Dave T=C3=A4ht =20 >Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! =20 >http://blog=2Ecerowrt=2Eorg =20 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Cake mailing list >Cake@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cake --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E