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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] More overhead keywords
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:41:16 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1505181239090.30097@nftneq.ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJq5cE2jzvS24kpAzocpbOj2V=aH+HQnHpg4P+bFfTgEc-0ErA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon, 18 May 2015, Jonathan Morton wrote:

> I've gone for the technical labels for three reasons. First, it reflects
> what's actually happening, which generally reduces confusion in the long
> run. Second, you might underestimate the number of ADSL ISPs worldwide, as
> well as the difficulty of keeping such a database up to date. Third, every
> DSL modem and ISP I know of has made it reasonably easy to discover at
> least the base encapsulations - autodetection of vcmux vs llc isn't
> absolutely reliable, for example. They might be less forthcoming about vlan
> and FCS, but one can make intelligent guesses here, based on whether it's a
> converged services ISP.

offer both the official labels and some easy-to-understand boxes to use

for example

underlying packet size (ATM = 48, Ethernet = 1500)

protocol overhead (various examples)

David Lang

> Ideally, we could do with a tool (at dslreports?) which makes detecting the
> actual overhead easier. This would be doable using small packets to magnify
> the differences.
>
> And if the user really can't work it out, they can always throw up their
> hands and specify "conservative".
>
> - Jonathan Morton
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-18 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-10 14:02 [Cake] openwrt build with latest cake and other qdiscs Alan Jenkins
2015-05-10 17:29 ` Alan Jenkins
2015-05-10 20:37   ` Dave Taht
2015-05-10 20:38     ` Dave Taht
2015-05-11  6:54       ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-10 21:46   ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-10 22:19     ` Dave Taht
2015-05-11  6:50   ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-11  7:01     ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-13  6:43       ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-14  9:19         ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-14 10:24           ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-14 10:33             ` Alan Jenkins
2015-05-14 10:42               ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-14 10:58             ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-14 13:12               ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-14 14:57                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-14 15:32                   ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-14 18:15                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-14 22:06                       ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-15  2:27                         ` Dave Taht
2015-05-15 21:49                           ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-14  9:50   ` Alan Jenkins
2015-05-18  0:49     ` [Cake] More overhead keywords Jonathan Morton
2015-05-18  7:27       ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-18  8:13         ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-18  8:41           ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-18 19:41           ` David Lang [this message]
2015-05-18 19:57             ` Dave Taht
2015-05-19 10:14               ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2015-05-23  0:30       ` Dave Taht
2015-05-23  2:27         ` Jonathan Morton

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