From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D07A03B29E; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 04:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6425EB2; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:23:14 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1552292594; bh=IbNzl/Z3Wi0fUeUrc5oKDfrflQXQ8Sfmn5mwg5zlOOU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=C7hiQNc7zOlvTj612A8YOVGF9ecMOm4vx606R2poKL/T6UAja21BopGudBvz+HuZQ nPu69SxBbzsnyB5oVuBKPGuVIf+y3NdoS8FyLA0LMV2TWT310987gX6/X4L5sh4+xr ZNAEJ5HUN6KT6swAwv+9zTNuX51B+Q/uFoQcvOWY= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B78B0; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:23:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:23:14 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Sebastian Moeller cc: Jonathan Morton , Cake List , "codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , "Holland, Jake" , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <550C0248-1704-49DA-ABDC-49A91E0AC6F3@akamai.com> <1EE25778-8571-4506-A334-38C544470ACE@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] The "Some Congestion Experienced" ECN codepoint - a new internet draft - X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:23:16 -0000 On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > How is packet reordering for anybody but the folks responsible for > operating the "conduits" in any way attractive? For instance QUIC uses muxing of streams within the same 5 tuple, so it has use of the transport not holding up information just to preserve ordering within the 5 tuple stream. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se