From: George Amanakis <g_amanakis@yahoo.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] total download rate with many flows
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:49:53 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <daad0484-2c81-a2df-d98e-b3ab8ee8027a@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1711131804040.10890@nftneq.ynat.uz>
Dear David,
I agree. My point is that currently ingress mode seems to be dropping
more packets than necessary to keep senders from bottlenecking the
connection (when there is a large number of concurrent flows, >8). And
right now, ingress mode is the only mode that achieves this in
situations such as Windows updates.
George
On 11/13/2017 9:08 PM, David Lang wrote:
> Ingres and Egress are fundamentally different due to the fact that in
> ingress mode you are having to throw away data that has successfully
> traversed the bottleneck (deliberatly wasting your limited resource
> now to avoid having senders bottleneck the queue on the far side of
> the link)
>
> in Egress mode, you aren't doing that, and so you can get much closer
> to the actual bandwidth.
>
> In addition, in Ingress mode, you are always working via second-order
> effects, you can't slow a transmission directly like you can in egress
> mode, all you can do is drop packets and wait until the sender
> notices, retransmits and slows down. Egress has full control of the
> queues and can send things in any order, and may be able to
> continually fill the pipe and avoid any timeouts and retransmissions
> (if the flow is short enough)
>
> David Lang
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-14 2:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2017-11-01 0:44 ` Dave Taht
2017-11-01 1:06 ` Antoine Deschênes
2017-11-01 1:41 ` George Amanakis
2017-11-01 3:37 ` George Amanakis
[not found] ` <mailman.907.1509507446.3609.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2017-11-01 22:01 ` Dave Taht
2017-11-10 16:32 ` George Amanakis
[not found] ` <mailman.964.1510331572.3609.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2017-11-10 20:42 ` Dave Taht
2017-11-10 20:54 ` George Amanakis
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[not found] ` <CAJq5cE0fsOUZid7peQQYE5qwqBr9GNCx_hYE7dWs4F4UTS=RTA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-11-10 21:50 ` Jonathan Morton
2017-11-12 3:48 ` George Amanakis
2017-11-14 1:51 ` George Amanakis
2017-11-14 1:53 ` George Amanakis
[not found] ` <mailman.969.1510458543.3609.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2017-11-14 2:08 ` David Lang
2017-11-14 2:49 ` George Amanakis [this message]
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2017-11-14 20:11 ` Dave Taht
2017-11-14 22:13 ` G. Amanakis
[not found] ` <mailman.987.1510697602.3609.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2017-11-14 22:23 ` Dave Taht
2017-11-15 4:04 ` George Amanakis
2017-11-16 4:49 ` Dave Taht
2017-11-16 6:52 ` Jonathan Morton
[not found] ` <CACvFP_jGkByNCk=-n4NOxptw59nb8Bsup4Ymd+LbGi6O_WJr5Q@mail.gmail.com>
2017-11-16 17:08 ` [Cake] Fwd: " Georgios Amanakis
2017-11-16 23:12 ` [Cake] " Jonathan Morton
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2017-11-17 20:05 ` Pete Heist
2017-11-20 8:06 ` Jonathan Morton
2017-11-20 9:07 ` Pete Heist
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