Dear All, I’ve realised that I have been responding to Kevin rather than to the mailing list - my bad! I think I will purchase a Linksys WRT1900ACS as it seems to be fairly well regarded and is easily accessible in the UK. How do I go about setting up Cake on it? --  Alec Robertson On 23 April 2016 at 9:00:52 pm, Alec Robertson (alecrobertson13@gmail.com) wrote: Dear Kevin, I did look at the Linksys WRT1200AC but it seems to get some rather poor reviews on Amazon? --  Alec Robertson On 23 April 2016 at 8:58:02 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant (kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk) wrote: On 23/04/2016 20:42, Alec Robertson wrote: Dear Kevin, That’s very useful thanks. You say the TP-LINK Archer C7 should just be okay. What could I get that I know will last me for a long time? What’s got good WiFi range too? The honest answer is I've absolutely no idea and I'm in that dilemma myself.  There's a remake of the linksys WRT range (WRT1200????) that apparently is very powerful, I guess the issue is how far along OpenWrt is.  I might have the wrong end of hte stick but I think Dave Taht may have something working. Apologies, I'm not really a mine of information. I’m using powerline at the moment but fed up with it disconnecting. I think it is probably the TP-LINK adaptors I am using (known issue apparently) but wiring up the house is unpractical at the moment. I don’t think there is a better solution really. --  Alec Robertson On 23 April 2016 at 8:00:00 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant (kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk) wrote: Hi Alec, I'm not familiar with TalkTalk but they sound like they do similar things to Sky - Sky just need a 'login ID' as part of the DHCP request packet (which funnily enough are the PPPoA/E login details) In terms of speed sacrifice, erm, none really. I've set 40mpbs incoming and 9990kbps for outgoing on a 40000/9999 link as reported by the modem. Probably critically I've set the packet overheads to 12, and I now can't remember why... there's an on-wire vlan tag (4 bytes) but the reason for the other 8 have fallen out of the brain cell. I've a semi-regular backup job overnight that on a bad day overruns into the day - a week or so ago it ran for something like 2 days and I had absolutely no idea - thinkbroadband's ping monitor was registering something like an extra 5mS latency over the baseline, peaks were something like 25mS - backup stats and openwrt's stats package were registering the full 10mbps uplink in use during that time. Does that help? Kevin On 23/04/16 19:40, Alec Robertson wrote: > Dear Kevin, > > I am on TalkTalk which uses IPoE, so no PPPoE use at all, as far as I > know. I certainly haven’t ever configured login details. > > How much speed do you have to sacrifice on your connection to > eliminate bufferbloat? > > -- > Alec Robertson > > On 23 April 2016 at 10:46:35 am, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant > (kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk ) > wrote: > >> Hi Alec, >> >> A brief appearance from me whilst I have a spare few seconds. >> >> Not stupid! >> >> There’s an obvious question: Why are Billion still shipping buffer >> bloated devices? Have they been sent graphs/demos/logs of how their >> kit is faulty? >> >> To offer some hopefully constructive pointers: For FTTC service I’m >> guessing you’ll be using the Billion as a vdsl modem. Who’s the ISP? >> AFAIK anyone other than Sky will need to run PPPoE and hence hit the >> 1492 MTU restriction *unless* the Billion supports mini jumbo frames >> on the ethernet side and the PPPoE MTU extension (the rfc number >> escapes the brain at the moment) Sky don’t use PPP and just run >> ethernet frames over PTM…..the way it should be. The incoming >> packets from ISP to you are policed at something close to sync rate, >> this is part of the BT specification. The uplink of course can be as >> bloated as hell ;-) >> >> I use an Archer C7 with BT’s equally horrendously bloated HG612 vdsl >> modem on a 40/10 link with sky as my isp. In terms of CPU usage it’s >> about 1% per megabit so a full 40/10 uses around 55% cpu, I think >> there’s enough for your 60/20…just. >> https://middling.me.uk/blog/2015/03/customising-openwrt-to-my-needs/ >> offers further advice which I found useful. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >>> On 22 Apr 2016, at 23:01, Alec Robertson >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I’ve been out of the bufferbloat game for a while and want to try >>> and beat it once again. >>> >>> I’ve got an FTTC connection (UK) which I get around 60Mbps on but >>> with horrible bufferbloat on my Billion 8800NL. What router should I >>> get that can run OpenWRT and handle this connection? Do the newest >>> builds of OpenWRT have cake built-in now via sqm-scripts or would I >>> need to install this manually. If so, how would I do this? >>> >>> Would appreciate any help and apologies if I come off in any way stupid. >>> >>> -- >>> Alec Robertson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cake mailing list >>> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >> -- Thanks, Kevin@Darbyshire-Bryant.me.uk M: +44 7947 355344 H: +44 1256 478597