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[92.12.91.33]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g13sm15605778ioi.19.2016.05.01.05.18.09 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 May 2016 05:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 13:18:06 +0100 From: Alec Robertson To: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <571BC61C.4070008@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <571BD3BC.2090405@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (356) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5725f3fe_5c43643d_8598" Subject: Re: [Cake] Beating bufferbloat X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 12:18:12 -0000 --5725f3fe_5c43643d_8598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear All, I now have the TP-Link Archer C7. Would it be possible to have a walkthro= ugh of setting it up to beat bufferbloat on my =46TTC connection=3F --=C2=A0 Alec Robertson On 29 April 2016 at 3:58:55 pm, Dave Taht (dave.taht=40gmail.com) wrote: I am using this build. one thing that failed twice recently was the =20 dnscrypt stuff (for no reason I can discern). I ended up disabling it =20 this morning. =20 On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Arie wrote: =20 > If you want a very recent cake version, you could use my build from her= e: =20 > http://ariekanarie.nl/openwrt/mvebu/ It's based on the very feature hea= vy =20 > OpenWRT build by trondah ( https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php=3Fid= =3D50914 =20 > ), but using more recent cerowrt and cake stuff. =20 > =20 > You'll want to flash the shelby factory.img if still on stock firmware,= else =20 > shelby sysupgrade.tar. =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On 24 April 2016 at 00:22, Alec Robertson = wrote: =20 >> =20 >> Dear All, =20 >> =20 >> I=E2=80=99ve realised that I have been responding to Kevin rather than= to the =20 >> mailing list - my bad=21 =20 >> =20 >> I think I will purchase a Linksys WRT1900ACS as it seems to be fairly = well =20 >> regarded and is easily accessible in the UK. =20 >> =20 >> How do I go about setting up Cake on it=3F =20 >> =20 >> -- =20 >> Alec Robertson =20 >> =20 >> On 23 April 2016 at 9:00:52 pm, Alec Robertson (alecrobertson13=40gmai= l.com) =20 >> wrote: =20 >> =20 >> Dear Kevin, =20 >> =20 >> I did look at the Linksys WRT1200AC but it seems to get some rather po= or =20 >> reviews on Amazon=3F =20 >> =20 >> -- =20 >> Alec Robertson =20 >> =20 >> On 23 April 2016 at 8:58:02 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant =20 >> (kevin=40darbyshire-bryant.me.uk) wrote: =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> On 23/04/2016 20:42, Alec Robertson wrote: =20 >> =20 >> Dear Kevin, =20 >> =20 >> That=E2=80=99s very useful thanks. =20 >> =20 >> You say the TP-LINK Archer C7 should just be okay. What could I get th= at I =20 >> know will last me for a long time=3F What=E2=80=99s got good Wi=46i ra= nge too=3F =20 >> =20 >> The honest answer is I've absolutely no idea and I'm in that dilemma =20 >> myself. There's a remake of the linksys WRT range (WRT1200=3F=3F=3F=3F= ) that =20 >> apparently is very powerful, I guess the issue is how far along OpenWr= t is. =20 >> I might have the wrong end of hte stick but I think Dave Taht may have= =20 >> something working. =20 >> =20 >> Apologies, I'm not really a mine of information. =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> I=E2=80=99m using powerline at the moment but fed up with it disconnec= ting. I =20 >> think it is probably the TP-LINK adaptors I am using (known issue =20 >> apparently) but wiring up the house is unpractical at the moment. I do= n=E2=80=99t =20 >> think there is a better solution really. =20 >> =20 >> -- =20 >> Alec Robertson =20 >> =20 >> On 23 April 2016 at 8:00:00 pm, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant =20 >> (kevin=40darbyshire-bryant.me.uk) wrote: =20 >> =20 >> Hi Alec, =20 >> =20 >> I'm not familiar with TalkTalk but they sound like they do similar =20 >> things to Sky - Sky just need a 'login ID' as part of the DHCP request= =20 >> packet (which funnily enough are the PPPoA/E login details) =20 >> =20 >> In terms of speed sacrifice, erm, none really. I've set 40mpbs incomin= g =20 >> and 9990kbps for outgoing on a 40000/9999 link as reported by the =20 >> modem. Probably critically I've set the packet overheads to 12, and I = =20 >> now can't remember why... there's an on-wire vlan tag (4 bytes) but th= e =20 >> reason for the other 8 have fallen out of the brain cell. =20 >> =20 >> I've a semi-regular backup job overnight that on a bad day overruns in= to =20 >> the day - a week or so ago it ran for something like 2 days and I had = =20 >> absolutely no idea - thinkbroadband's ping monitor was registering =20 >> something like an extra 5mS latency over the baseline, peaks were =20 >> something like 25mS - backup stats and openwrt's stats package were =20 >> registering the full 10mbps uplink in use during that time. =20 >> =20 >> Does that help=3F =20 >> =20 >> Kevin =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> On 23/04/16 19:40, Alec Robertson wrote: =20 >> > Dear Kevin, =20 >> > =20 >> > I am on TalkTalk which uses IPoE, so no PPPoE use at all, as far as = I =20 >> > know. I certainly haven=E2=80=99t ever configured login details. =20 >> > =20 >> > How much speed do you have to sacrifice on your connection to =20 >> > eliminate bufferbloat=3F =20 >> > =20 >> > -- =20 >> > Alec Robertson =20 >> > =20 >> > On 23 April 2016 at 10:46:35 am, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant =20 >> > (kevin=40darbyshire-bryant.me.uk ) =20 >> =20 >> > wrote: =20 >> > =20 >> >> Hi Alec, =20 >> >> =20 >> >> A brief appearance from me whilst I have a spare few seconds. =20 >> >> =20 >> >> Not stupid=21 =20 >> >> =20 >> >> There=E2=80=99s an obvious question: Why are Billion still shipping= buffer =20 >> >> bloated devices=3F Have they been sent graphs/demos/logs of how the= ir =20 >> >> kit is faulty=3F =20 >> >> =20 >> >> To offer some hopefully constructive pointers: =46or =46TTC service= I=E2=80=99m =20 >> >> guessing you=E2=80=99ll be using the Billion as a vdsl modem. Who=E2= =80=99s the ISP=3F =20 >> >> A=46AIK anyone other than Sky will need to run PPPoE and hence hit = the =20 >> >> 1492 MTU restriction *unless* the Billion supports mini jumbo frame= s =20 >> >> on the ethernet side and the PPPoE MTU extension (the rfc number =20 >> >> escapes the brain at the moment) Sky don=E2=80=99t use PPP and just= run =20 >> >> ethernet frames over PTM=E2=80=A6..the way it should be. The incomi= ng =20 >> >> packets from ISP to you are policed at something close to sync rate= , =20 >> >> this is part of the BT specification. The uplink of course can be a= s =20 >> >> bloated as hell ;-) =20 >> >> =20 >> >> I use an Archer C7 with BT=E2=80=99s equally horrendously bloated H= G612 vdsl =20 >> >> modem on a 40/10 link with sky as my isp. In terms of CPU usage it=E2= =80=99s =20 >> >> about 1% per megabit so a full 40/10 uses around 55% cpu, I think =20 >> >> there=E2=80=99s enough for your 60/20=E2=80=A6just. =20 >> >> https://middling.me.uk/blog/2015/03/customising-openwrt-to-my-needs= / =20 >> >> offers further advice which I found useful. =20 >> >> =20 >> >> Kevin =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >>> On 22 Apr 2016, at 23:01, Alec Robertson > >>> > wrote: =20 >> >>> =20 >> >>> Hi all, =20 >> >>> =20 >> >>> I=E2=80=99ve been out of the bufferbloat game for a while and want= to try =20 >> >>> and beat it once again. =20 >> >>> =20 >> >>> I=E2=80=99ve got an =46TTC connection (UK) which I get around 60Mb= ps on but =20 >> >>> with horrible bufferbloat on my Billion 8800NL. What router should= I =20 >> >>> get that can run OpenWRT and handle this connection=3F Do the newe= st =20 >> >>> builds of OpenWRT have cake built-in now via sqm-scripts or would = I =20 >> >>> need to install this manually. If so, how would I do this=3F =20 >> >>> =20 >> >>> Would appreciate any help and apologies if I come off in any way =20 >> >>> stupid. =20 >> >>> =20 >> >>> -- =20 >> >>> Alec Robertson =20 >> >>> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =20 >> >>> Cake mailing list =20 >> >>> Cake=40lists.bufferbloat.net = =20 >> >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake =20 >> >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> -- =20 >> Thanks, =20 >> =20 >> Kevin=40Darbyshire-Bryant.me.uk =20 >> M: +44 7947 355344 H: +44 1256 478597 =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 >> Cake mailing list =20 >> Cake=40lists.bufferbloat.net =20 >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake =20 >> =20 > =20 > =20 > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 > Cake mailing list =20 > Cake=40lists.bufferbloat.net =20 > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake =20 > =20 -- =20 Dave T=C3=A4ht =20 Let's go make home routers and wifi faster=21 With better software=21 =20 http://blog.cerowrt.org =20 --5725f3fe_5c43643d_8598 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline