From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F3333BA8E; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-laptop.LAN (dlang-laptop.LAN [10.2.0.162]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA45DD56; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 21:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 21:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@dlang-laptop To: Sebastian Moeller cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , "Holland, Jake" , Cake List , "codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <550C0248-1704-49DA-ABDC-49A91E0AC6F3@akamai.com> <1EE25778-8571-4506-A334-38C544470ACE@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] The "Some Congestion Experienced" ECN codepoint - a new internet draft - X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:40:15 -0000 On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > How is packet reordering for anybody but the folks responsible for operating > the "conduits" in any way attractive? It's more that not worrying about maintaining the order, and just moving the packets as fast as possible reduces the overhead. The majority of the time, packets will be in order, but race conditions and corner cases are allowed to forward packets out of order rather than having the delay some packets to maintain the order. David Lang