From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x231.google.com (mail-lf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6D153B2A4 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id k86so23838526lfi.0 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 13:57:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yxXkV64ZLw26kbRiWavVeoyeUFNAh1wXrJ6aMLjf7OA=; b=ex6vCqrprXUt/0SBeDLRjIvAHT0YeS9lxuCg9/A4rVCapmK5RU9sW3dCCby7OmeXni B4JQr96LdQ9EM1hD2A3m0elCKCeOv5VA+rBlNnJVQDM5XIlMTL3vGDA2yOs6AUIr+2mr hsoVGNQfgKIhh+lCOwHBPOygQjlUH4w0YQh7V4QlJTXcX3+mOPHY7C4iqLPhyXgNLsgC F2jft5+TU0ODtTiBdPcKQj7Hu1DjU+AiWcjCMkaPf1WR8loSRLtqg9emtv+alCfjQzb8 ZGScELKmd6lLXUrQ7pkzZ3G//+jGiPgIm37qj7IVK6LERBcyzBmkJTBQKRspxO2MAlrL zprg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yxXkV64ZLw26kbRiWavVeoyeUFNAh1wXrJ6aMLjf7OA=; b=CxJuRIAkcnBMKKnZa4bmqBF3uWz4cFroic5X4Lr/q4HSPRrtAF+KIOtZ/npHO4j64F C72wA2mHJRPy2ydYckNCidDtWsNFjBY2e1+culxmHq22FeX16UXAzV3Vyt1CqzAgIS6p Wu2dMl9+LHJssa+1UjyZ19yyBL2ArFPc3lBRsMqgWfKg96DvZY1gRUseHLoG4YLpK6WN 4A9cyUGJp/ggwU5YGhHLZ1rbB22VXqZvxe1gDnWG/ztEGUotYSwfwYOandYvbjfC1yv2 MHUD9WO6WzQVI8sQ+K/UtKUBylvWQqaEuqV3EwMTIv4680TVh7TxfQielFN0KIYz0QQG +skA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKLTFr2VtRYnTRykspJ1uge20RO8q3GVd4S9W/Inq2o7hViTzICU+25PKFGobvOPg== X-Received: by 10.46.78.1 with SMTP id c1mr23098801ljb.39.1483567035463; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 13:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.13] (37-136-37-228.rev.dnainternet.fi. [37.136.37.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x195sm856996lfa.32.2017.01.04.13.57.14 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Jan 2017 13:57:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 23:57:08 +0200 Cc: Dave Taht , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0336DE7E-A69C-4F1B-ADB7-0AE81DD8A657@gmail.com> References: To: Aaron Wood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] gaming routers... X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 21:57:16 -0000 > On 4 Jan, 2017, at 23:45, Aaron Wood wrote: >=20 > "but it has revealed that the WRT32X is designed to automatically = detect computers using the Killer-line of network adapters, indicating = it's probably a gaming-focused PC from a company like Alienware, MSI, or = Razer that requires priority access to the home's internet. It does the = same thing for an Xbox as well, if console gaming is more your thing.=E2=80= =9D In other words, they=E2=80=99re aware of the (user level) problem, but = they still don=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9Cget it=E2=80=9D at a technical = solution level. And they call it =E2=80=9Csecret sauce=E2=80=9D and = hide the details, because they don=E2=80=99t want competitors to copy = them. > Or it's looking at the mac ids of the devices, and queuing them = separately, with higher priority, but throttled to a percentage of = overall bandwidth. Much like the Cisco recommendations for voip traffic = using EF. It=E2=80=99s looking at MACs all right, but not the way you suggest. = It=E2=80=99s just classifying certain vendor IDs as =E2=80=9Cvoice=E2=80=9D= by default, and leaving the rest at =E2=80=9Cbest effort=E2=80=9D. It would however be very interesting to see whether we can measure the = differences between this approach and the ath9k work - purely to = illuminate whether the proprietary or open-source approaches are more = effective in practice. - Jonathan Morton