From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18AE621F1BD for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hms-beagle-2.speedport_w723_v_typ_a_1_00_096 ([79.229.225.62]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4nM5-1W3K3V367h-00yvmw for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:27:08 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <75A28912-5A79-43FD-BEFC-D02C4FB240E2@imap.cc> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:27:07 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <062C2C3C-747B-4E78-A1F4-988782A1105F@gmx.de> References: <8D9E163F-C7D2-4361-9ED4-8BDAE349E7FA@imap.cc> <98EEA697-FC7F-447C-89DF-976D469F55B6@imap.cc> <75A28912-5A79-43FD-BEFC-D02C4FB240E2@imap.cc> To: Fred Stratton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:QyWwurgD3ytu4BKFlDeS9prMDyhBF6Y29h+EfC5nisOvx73AqUl 7IrTPRGupBgEoSALiS3/waZpv+Ai/GM9IajzQ9UpwGRsex8cbADZx5SHqUIBnW33+KvWAgu UpzABjaOjEdmPu+jTNcvg8Qhz+gTISb3mM/Tq7x9ibvsRedpose1J/huPMkJ0W45onAGvMs bO8sai6fPVo3JIUwEp8XQ== Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] No legend for netperf-wrapper graphs X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:27:11 -0000 Hi there, I am a bit grumpy right now, since it seems as if my router just died on = me (trying an "emergency" flash to 3.10.6). On Aug 14, 2013, at 23:05 , Fred Stratton wrote: > Nothing is mentioned in the MIT talk. >=20 > I f the servers are not available, so work cannot be duplicated, The buffer bloat effort is mostly driven by enthusiasm not = monetary gains. So as I understand it netperf servers are run by = volunteers out of their own pocket. Given that a number of ISPs have = maximum transfer volumes by months I think it actually is amazing that = there are some server available at all. I think that no one would = complain and rather support it if you would volunteer to set up a = netperf server to remedy your observed lack of openness, allowing others = to test against your router. :) > and the meaning of terms used is not revealed anywhere, the project = ceases to be Open. Now have a look at = https://github.com/tohojo/netperf-wrapper/blob/master/tests/rrul.conf, = and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiated_services you can get a = pretty good overview of what the diffent line colors per plot actually = mean. My take is for the ADSL encapsulation tests all that matters is = the average and the fact that is is averaged from 4 flows, so mentally = multiplying the y-axis by 4 gives an idea about the total bandwidth = used. The interesting stuff happens in the ping RTT plots, which you = want to be as flat as possible with preferably no big increase once the = TCP loads start. Best Regards Sebastian >=20 >=20 > On 14 Aug 2013, at 20:50, Fred Stratton wrote: >=20 >> If it is the 'What is wrong with wifi talk, the I have found that. >>=20 >>=20 >> On 14 Aug 2013, at 19:21, Fred Stratton wrote: >>=20 >>> UK and German rrul server address would be helpful, on the basis = that I shall be using them to test ADSL based configurations. For = whatever reason I could not access the Yurt resident one. (I thought = that everyone who owned a Yurt maintained a breeding herd of goats or = alpaca.) >>>=20 >>> You have given many talks. A link to the MIT talk would help. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 14 Aug 2013, at 19:07, Dave Taht wrote: >>>=20 >>>> We have insufficient funding to maintain rrul servers everywhere = they are needed. There are servers in Germany and england if they are = closer to you? I can let you (or anyone else that asks) know the = addresses privately... I will probably add one in Japan soon and we = continue to look for a hosting service that will actively help.... >>>>=20 >>>> On Aug 14, 2013 11:01 AM, "Fred Stratton" = wrote: >>>> If the legends are not explained, the graphs cannot be interpreted. >>>>=20 >>>> A list of working servers would help, also. >>>>=20 >>>> At present there appears to be only one in the observable universe. >>>>=20 >>>> fq_codel simplest.qos 6000 down 700 up htb. >>>>=20 >>>> >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel