From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3062221F1CB for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FF421296; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:34:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=imap.cc; h=from :content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh=Hx8VoViZrPPrwhi+XY71mka/EkQ=; b=aZg+r qNIfA+3Wv/7uEDq6jmKPkp9aKPsIbZTGe6fERGu9yuxYFPtHlDe1CxXS0Eh7V+qJ Of3EmRONlihD4LTQz8WS6HAQRvVM3L1j2XqFicE9oezPYe08ctxwl/9haOfipHOd 6tnkPDHRer0/vNVayBYDq6V8oMXRrpuH3bhqy8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=Hx8VoViZr PPrwhi+XY71mka/EkQ=; b=Znjc69bYgHv+QU10AzkI+0fs5fHxfpaIp+4Vgld8f zE3xwgmgdWDzEHYFrEXCYVpTpLmoxiAmYiws8CIoBexmW+Ob10wgexgUhOumk4IT VsbVkn/rR1TQNLvMzsEwFJV3nTxXut+fEAbl7V7Ai5z91gw+QbjaLrH4wYGbbjv1 Yw= X-Sasl-enc: Z6bZSOpozuP88ke8P1NjOKggGeREb19gfU+K1tGdbx12 1376534049 Received: from [172.30.42.15] (unknown [188.221.232.223]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 26B4EC00E82 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:34:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Stratton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D2B946EE-AD2C-421F-B44C-0D834666D4F0" Message-Id: <0F2E2F30-FBDF-4095-AB9E-FB834C5EC6F1@imap.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 03:34:08 +0100 References: To: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] tc-stab versus htb on ADSL 8000/700 X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 02:34:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D2B946EE-AD2C-421F-B44C-0D834666D4F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I do not yet have sufficient paranoia about buffering. I have 2 D-Link power line adaptors between the gateway device and the = wndr 3800. http://caia.swin.edu.au/reports/130417A/CAIA-TR-130417A.pdf Perhaps I should attempt to position both before the power line link. On 15 Aug 2013, at 03:25, Fred Stratton wrote: > Excellent. Thank you. >=20 >=20 > On 15 Aug 2013, at 03:21, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 >> They are 802.11e markings. = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11e-2005 >>=20 >> BE =3D best effort >> BK =3D background >> VO =3D Voice >> CS5 or VI =3D video (diffserv marking) >>=20 >> This test originated with the wifi work and then ended up being used = for tons more stuff.=20 >>=20 >> And the specification is mine. I was delighted when toke ended up = implementing the about 1/3 the spec in 2 months flat. Unfortunately work = stalled out since then. We've added a few more interesting tests, but = the really hard ones (web and one way delay measurements) have been, = well, hard. I've been evaluating owamp's methods for one way delays. = There is also a prototype web interface lying around. >>=20 >> The last version of the specification can be seen here, and I do hope = one day we get to implementing all of it, and/or, me, revising it. I had = hopes to submit it to the ippm ietf group and/or the ITU. >>=20 >> https://github.com/dtaht/deBloat/blob/master/spec/rrule.doc?raw=3Dtrue >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Fred Stratton = wrote: >> Thank you.=20 >>=20 >> It would be useful know what the different traffic classes used by = the tool are. BE =3D=3D Best Effort. >>=20 >> Beyond that I suspect the only person who knows is its Danish author. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 15 Aug 2013, at 02:53, Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >>> The server in germany is demo.tohojo.dk - it's tokes, don't abuse it = too much >>>=20 >>> The server in england isn't even in dns: 176.58.107.8 = 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:7028 >>>=20 >>> The latter can't do more than 8Mbit up. >>>=20 >>> we had most of a deal with google mlabs to dramatically expand the = coverage (100+ servers) but it got hung up on details. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Fred Stratton = wrote: >>> >>> >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Dave T=E4ht >>>=20 >>> Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: = http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Dave T=E4ht >>=20 >> Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: = http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel --Apple-Mail=_D2B946EE-AD2C-421F-B44C-0D834666D4F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I do = not yet have sufficient paranoia about buffering.

I = have 2 D-Link power line adaptors between the gateway device and the = wndr 3800.


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Perhaps I should attempt to position both before the power = line link.

On 15 Aug 2013, at 03:25, Fred = Stratton <fredstratton@imap.cc> = wrote:

dave.taht@gmail.com> = wrote:


BE =3D best = effort
BK =3D background
VO =3D Voice
CS5 or VI =3D video (diffserv = marking)

This test originated with the wifi work and then = ended up being used for tons more stuff.

And the = specification is mine. I was delighted when toke ended up implementing = the about 1/3 the spec in 2 months flat. Unfortunately work stalled out = since then. We've added a few more interesting tests, but the really = hard ones (web and one way delay measurements) have been, well, hard. = I've been evaluating owamp's methods for one way delays. There is also a = prototype web interface lying around.

The last version of the specification can be seen here, and I = do hope one day we get to implementing all of it, and/or, me, revising = it. I had hopes to submit it to the ippm ietf group and/or the = ITU.

https://github.com/dtaht/deBloat/blob/master/spec/rrule.doc?raw=3Dtr= ue





On Wed, Aug 14, = 2013 at 7:14 PM, Fred Stratton <fredstratton@imap.cc> wrote:
Thank you. 

It = would be useful know what the different traffic classes used by the tool = are. BE =3D=3D Best Effort.

Beyond that I suspect the only person who knows is = its Danish = author.



On 15 Aug 2013, at 02:53, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

The server in germany is demo.tohojo.dk - = it's tokes, don't abuse it too much

The server in england isn't even in dns: 176.58.107.8 = 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:7028

The latter can't do more than 8Mbit = up.

we had most of a deal with google mlabs to = dramatically expand the coverage (100+ servers) but it got hung up on = details.



On Wed, Aug 14, = 2013 at 2:28 PM, Fred Stratton <fredstratton@imap.cc> wrote:
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