From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B1D93B2A4 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 17:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com with SMTP id p3so15960746qvj.9 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 14:28:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vt-edu.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id; bh=Oca8rHgeSPEuok50sUZNdbWa4NP07cEw6TAUADxNb6M=; b=dbhVXk+hnLF3bw833ji0Ot3ki+nhgm+oEchXpn0W9UYuA7zxOE1q0g2hlmBShOrLZ8 sxk7MVNAe/+QqdFwA5swVtqqr7JH5To4gwXYanu50nLdaY7JYLllFELumguhBU6LlzJu dy+6hRxeeVDsqzmFWKekOBGgAiWcvxiax16GZTcbzGcstETwXVz9flW+ruAaycZ0TKSn egh2lP7aO1Gb8dsl/HpI/lOnG4bxLNgFZoGQYPC7pnZL/XxyOlvH/nIkW05yugx8sArV PVS15KkdrRA+Lxe32ntJgnRlcjZ46/gbvAjOqRkBIQcwl84yFAtdHYw/bnuKgcRAMGK+ AyYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:date:message-id; bh=Oca8rHgeSPEuok50sUZNdbWa4NP07cEw6TAUADxNb6M=; b=jOjkSqz6vKN9IQn6PUHNH8NRwP3iFSUyzX6jewsfP0N0l4P9vuP3PIibq+eu0tNqmG o1QJeEAdRCLY7A49tb+OQqGaq28xZvHJtyHf2VtzR16UlrqeNbpOZUoYMyKVc3bSufsu M73p1WugjtrzK8hh+Vx8Q85drKnini2XHiqyuo+KQXELycoDOBHOceflu6U9d57FYkqx bhRndoBkIthMbDHxsmwLVJ353eWDcqdSR6eX50yloKygSp5pGqMlVd0Md98yvtfp+bXd +53pZ6ZqbHgPJh0ONY/ipn4+R8ILPUxQghLc6yhIeT9RO1znYAtqC38FKZ0riEXVCtSU q39w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306pVB9oPaWIa9H3axo6FoiPJ+Cll+C7YCFrmG5i3UeNiJ1DeHz +zTVtHLIx19MvCkFs9lD94dkR2yfAuezYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyG9hs/z2yhoBrhpF9dnYCzci9VSTmIa2z4857YXlkEr9x383qanD/yjzpM0Z3JVtfWt3vnCg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:508d:: with SMTP id kk13mr9778146qvb.73.1638397737654; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from turing-police ([2601:5c0:c380:d61::359]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y124sm494282qkd.105.2021.12.01.14.28.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 01 Dec 2021 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: Valdis Kletnieks From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" X-Google-Original-From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" X-Mailer: exmh version 2.10.0-pre 07/05/2021 with nmh-1.7+dev To: David Lang cc: "David P. Reed" , cerowrt-devel , bloat In-reply-to: References: <1638390391.091227727@apps.rackspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 17:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <119212.1638397736@turing-police> Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] uplink bufferbloat and scheduling problems X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 22:28:58 -0000 On Wed, 01 Dec 2021 13:09:46 -0800, David Lang said: > with wifi where you can transmit multiple packets in one airtime slot, you need > enough buffer to handle the entire burst. OK, I'll bite... roughly how many min-sized or max-sized packets can you fit into one slot?