From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC43F3B2A4 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41973897D; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A541207; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "David P. Reed" cc: "Dave Taht" , cerowrt-devel In-Reply-To: <1578938199.64982240@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1578938199.64982240@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] starlink as a mesh network X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 02:30:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David P. Reed wrote: > Fun, but it is all just a dynamic geometry game. True. > It's worth remembering that Congestion Control will be a huge problem > here. It's far from obvious that current TCP congestion control (which > assumes all packets in a virtual circuit traverse the same path in a > very deep way indeed) will do the job. Thus there is a serious risk of > congestion collapse if windows larger than one packet are allowed to > operate. And I still don't think we know much about how they are going to build path= s. Unless they do L3 switching, or support creating **many** paths on demand, it's not going to be useable for P2P directly between terminals, as Musk has claimed. AFAIK, all we still have from him is, "Simpler than IPv6" =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect = [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl4dJ7EACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXjzwf/dRUgU8uCvLqVeP59pFtdjPc2U91XLajHXxGG0kvvoLO0x/W7sP0OTE5t NrkP061Uo7P0bPQlLYypdyNTReHi1o3muxaZhPrjF2KhGO2S9Rj6D75gLXAbLtpE I9NTc+FuNreP0o5lFP6pyaT5wDURivw65SlTKNWZgnq+LMVMHhjPqE8RJ01vOfhy 3CsbTwt4CVhzk4Rdd3hyw2xkndJQdmK3h02KDj8vuTgCHRnIThCsDhuLhdcIkLat +/vxF+42lY7d6bKSPLtR7+02BfVgekbeykzBTJ0o3wFnVMEQq9KRD1i8QeFRphvO 15I+Leh0tA+f36PB1tA3QxhwEm8GCg== =76Qa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--