Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project
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From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: Wes Felter <wmf@felter.org>, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:51:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13043.1406868668@sandelman.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D42DAD2E-228C-47B7-B7AE-F16E08F4298B@gmx.de>


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Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
    > 	No idea? How would you test this (any command line to try). The good
    > thingg with the ping is that often even the DSLAM responds keeping
    > external sources (i.e. hops further away in the network) of variability
    > out of the measurement...

With various third-party-internet-access ("TPIA" in Canada),  the DSLAM
is operated by the incumbent (monopoly) telco, and the layer-3 first hop
is connected via PPPoE-VLAN or PPP/L2TP.  The incumbent telco has significant
incentive to make the backhaul network as congested and bufferbloated as
possible, and to mis-crimp cables so that the DSL resyncs at different speeds
regularly...   my incumbent telco's commercial LAN extension salesperson
proudly told me how they never drop packets, even when their links are
congested!!!

The Third Party ISP has a large incentive to deploy equipment that supports
whatever "bandwidth measurement" service we might cook up.


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Michael Richardson
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-01 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-24 14:03 R.
2014-07-25 18:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2014-07-25 21:03   ` David Lang
2014-07-26 11:30     ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 20:39       ` David Lang
2014-07-26 21:25         ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 21:45           ` David Lang
2014-07-26 22:24             ` David Lang
2014-07-27  9:50               ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 22:39             ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 22:53               ` David Lang
2014-07-26 23:39                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-27  0:49                   ` David Lang
2014-07-27 11:17                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-01  4:21       ` Michael Richardson
2014-08-01 18:28         ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-25 20:48 ` Wes Felter
2014-07-25 20:57   ` David Lang
2014-07-26 11:18     ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 20:21       ` David Lang
2014-07-26 20:54         ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 21:14           ` David Lang
2014-07-26 21:48             ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-26 22:23               ` David Lang
2014-07-26 23:08                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-07-27  1:04                   ` David Lang
2014-07-27 11:38                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-01  4:51                       ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2014-08-01 18:04                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-02 20:17                           ` Michael Richardson
2014-08-01  4:40       ` Michael Richardson
2014-07-26 11:01   ` Sebastian Moeller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-24 14:12 R.
2014-05-24 17:31 ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-05-24 19:05 ` David P. Reed
2014-05-20 22:11 Frits Riep
2014-05-20 23:14 ` Dave Taht
2014-05-21 11:42   ` Frits Riep
2014-05-21 14:51     ` dpreed
2014-05-21 15:19       ` Dave Taht
2014-05-21 16:03         ` dpreed
2014-05-21 16:30           ` Dave Taht
2014-05-21 17:55             ` dpreed
2014-05-21 17:47           ` Jim Gettys
2014-05-21 17:53             ` Dave Taht
2014-05-21 17:56               ` dpreed
2014-05-21 17:57                 ` Jim Gettys
2014-05-21 18:31                   ` Dave Taht
2014-05-21 15:07     ` Dave Taht
2014-05-21 16:50       ` Michael Richardson
2014-05-21 17:58       ` David Lang

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