From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp111.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp111.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED28721F16A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp51.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 35BEB20231; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: from legacy15.wa-web.iad1a (legacy15.wa-web.iad1a.rsapps.net [192.168.4.105]) by smtp51.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1418120141; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from reed.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by legacy15.wa-web.iad1a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04004408001; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Dave Taht" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_20121223094544000000_57155" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: html In-Reply-To: References: <54532012A5393D4E8F57704A4D55237E42A2907F@CH1PRD0510MB381.namprd05.prod.ou tlook.com> Message-ID: <1356273944.014921206@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail7.0 Cc: Richard Brown , "=?utf-8?Q?=3Ccerowrt-devel=40lists.bufferbloat.net=3E?=" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out... X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:45:46 -0000 ------=_20121223094544000000_57155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0ADoes anyone happen to know exactly what (Chinese) shop does the software= for Netgear? I bet Atheros/Qualcomm have a favorite outsourcing partner.= =0A =0AIt is quite interesting that it is OpenWRT-based. The reason I men= tion this is that one goal is to get all the goodies adopted in the commerc= ial market, and perhaps we could encourage that shop (and other ones) to ge= t the fixes in Cerowrt into their pipeline somehow.=0A =0AIt's kind of neut= ral with respect to FOSS - I think for the purpose of FOSS there needs to b= e one truly open hardware platform with state of the art capabiliities. B= ut one can have a much more effective conversation with the software shop t= han with Netgear, which probably has no capabilities whatever to change the= software in-house. (as I know from HP and Cisco - who outsource all their= technical work to China).=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: "Dave T= aht" =0ASent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:02am=0ATo: "= David Lang" =0ACc: "Richard Brown" , "" =0ASubject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...=0A=0A=0A=0AOn= Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:27 AM, David Lang wrote:=0A> On Thu= , 20 Dec 2012, Richard Brown wrote:=0A>=0A>> The wndr3700v4 is out, and app= ears to be a good hardware upgrade from=0A>> the 3800 series, but it's not = supported by openwrt yet.=0A>>=0A>> I took a look at their GPL source distr= ibution. And yea! it's openwrt.=0A>> And boo! it's ancient openwrt, for exa= mple dnsmasq is 2.39 (current is=0A>> 2.64), and their kernel is 2.6.31.=0A= >>=0A>> I think the cpu and ethernet chips tho look a lot better: Atheros= =0A>> AR9344+ AR9580(5GHz)+AR9344(2.4GHz). It's my hope these do ipv6=0A>> = better.=0A>>=0A>> I found a WNDR3700v4 at the local Staples for $99.99. I w= asn't brave=0A>> enough to buy it. Here's an image of the box so you can re= cognize it...=0A>=0A>=0A> I've purchased one, but I don't have the openwrt = experiance to bootstrap=0A> this. I have built my own openwrt images for th= e 3700v2 and 3800 and have=0A> been using Linux since the 0.99 kernel days,= so I am very comfortable=0A> mucking with kernel compile options.=0A>=0A> = If someone is willing to coach me through the process, I'd be happy to do= =0A> the experimentation.=0A=0AI've ordered one too, but I would argue that= a concerted effort would=0Aneed to be made on the part of some core #openw= rt devs to get it=0Aanywhere. The cpu is a mips 74k. It's a dual issue core= with a very,=0Avery long pipeline, so although it boasts twice the instruc= tions per=0Aclock than the 24k, and in simple benchmarks like drystone, roc= ks,=0Athat deep pipeline isn't helpful for tons of code. (IMHO). It doesn't= =0Alook like the cache architecture is improved much, either.=0A=0AIt's not= clear what the ethernet driver is, there appear to be legal=0Aissues on th= e equivalent broadcom ethernet device, and so on, and so=0Aforth.=0A=0AYou = will need, at least, a 3.3v serial port and adaptor, and jtag=0Amight be ne= eded. If you want to learn about just how painful it is to=0Abring up a new= board, this is your chance!=0A=0AIt makes sense to start a thread on openw= rt-devel about doing the port.=0A=0Ahttps://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php= ?id=3D41092=0A=0AAnd/or find some other still supported hardware still bein= g shipped by=0Asome other manufacturer.=0A=0AFrankly, if we truly have to j= ump platforms, I'd rather go arm.=0A=0A> David Lang=0A> ___________________= ____________________________=0A> Cerowrt-devel mailing list=0A> Cerowrt-dev= el@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt= -devel=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ADave T=C3=A4ht=0A=0AFixing bufferbloat with cerowrt= : http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html=0A________________________= _______________________=0ACerowrt-devel mailing list=0ACerowrt-devel@lists.= bufferbloat.net=0Ahttps://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ------=_20121223094544000000_57155 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Does anyone happen to know exactly what (Chinese) shop does the software fo= r Netgear?  I bet Atheros/Qualcomm have a favorite outsourcing partner= .

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It is quite interesting that it is OpenWRT-based.   T= he reason I mention this is that one goal is to get all the goodies adopted= in the commercial market, and perhaps we could encourage that shop (and ot= her ones) to get the fixes in Cerowrt into their pipeline somehow.

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It's kind of neutral with respect to FOSS - I think for the purpose of FO= SS there needs to be one truly open hardware platform with state of the art= capabiliities.   But one can have a much more effective conversa= tion with the software shop than with Netgear, which probably has no capabi= lities whatever to change the software in-house.  (as I know from HP a= nd Cisco - who outsource all their technical work to China).

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----= -Original Message-----
From: "Dave Taht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:02am
To: "David Lang" <david@= lang.hm>
Cc: "Richard Brown" <richard.e.brown@dartware.com>, = "<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>" <cerowrt-devel@lists.buffe= rbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...
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On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:27 AM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wr= ote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Brown wrote:
>
>= ;> The wndr3700v4 is out, and appears to be a good hardware upgrade from=
>> the 3800 series, but it's not supported by openwrt yet.
>>
>> I took a look at their GPL source distribution. And= yea! it's openwrt.
>> And boo! it's ancient openwrt, for exampl= e dnsmasq is 2.39 (current is
>> 2.64), and their kernel is 2.6.= 31.
>>
>> I think the cpu and ethernet chips tho look= a lot better: Atheros
>> AR9344+ AR9580(5GHz)+AR9344(2.4GHz). I= t's my hope these do ipv6
>> better.
>>
>>= I found a WNDR3700v4 at the local Staples for $99.99. I wasn't brave
= >> enough to buy it. Here's an image of the box so you can recognize = it...
>
>
> I've purchased one, but I don't have th= e openwrt experiance to bootstrap
> this. I have built my own openw= rt images for the 3700v2 and 3800 and have
> been using Linux since= the 0.99 kernel days, so I am very comfortable
> mucking with kern= el compile options.
>
> If someone is willing to coach me t= hrough the process, I'd be happy to do
> the experimentation.
=
I've ordered one too, but I would argue that a concerted effort would=
need to be made on the part of some core #openwrt devs to get it
anywhere. The cpu is a mips 74k. It's a dual issue core with a very,
= very long pipeline, so although it boasts twice the instructions per
c= lock than the 24k, and in simple benchmarks like drystone, rocks,
that= deep pipeline isn't helpful for tons of code. (IMHO). It doesn't
look= like the cache architecture is improved much, either.

It's not = clear what the ethernet driver is, there appear to be legal
issues on = the equivalent broadcom ethernet device, and so on, and so
forth.

You will need, at least, a 3.3v serial port and adaptor, and jtagmight be needed. If you want to learn about just how painful it is tobring up a new board, this is your chance!

It makes sense to = start a thread on openwrt-devel about doing the port.

https://fo= rum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=3D41092

And/or find some other = still supported hardware still being shipped by
some other manufacture= r.

Frankly, if we truly have to jump platforms, I'd rather go ar= m.

> David Lang
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