From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp97.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp97.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 537AD3B31C for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp21.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp21.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 08FAD1805E9; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from app53.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp21.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E5F28180567; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:03 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from app53.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.5.4); Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:04 -0500 Received: from reed.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app53.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9D528005F; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Rich Brown" Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?=" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: <9325CC61-3295-4EE1-984C-8C23BB6FE80A@gmail.com> References: <56C0C6E3.6000700@taht.net> <9325CC61-3295-4EE1-984C-8C23BB6FE80A@gmail.com> X-Auth-ID: dpreed@reed.com Message-ID: <1455552663.843710221@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.0.0-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] archer c7v2 gets third party unupgradable firmware X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:11:04 -0000 I'm giving a talk in a couple months at a very high level, about "what's at= stake" as we move into the era of "5G" (for lack of a better word, this is= what the media all think is happening, and what has the ear of the FCC).= =0A=0AI'd love to have a list of brands and models that have "gone dark" to= security improvements, bug fixing, and innovation - mainly just to point a= t, implicitly shame the industry and its captured regulators, etc. This wi= ll be a modest part of the talk, which has some other well-docmented bombsh= ells in it (like CG-NAT, for example, and the predictable failure of "white= spaces" and the CEO-driven, rather than science-driven PCAST "spectrum sha= ring" that we are now experiencing).=0A=0ASo if the OpenWRT community can s= tart keeping records of "going dark" dates, ... that would be great. And i= f there is a stats-analyst out there, it would be great to have quantitativ= e numbers related to market share of re-flashable routers over time, CVE's = related to routers, ... not for this talk, but to be able to tell users wha= t the vendors are (not) doing for them.=0A=0AI don't have the resources to = devote too much time to this, but I do have some visibility, which I can us= e. And there is a huge problem on the horizon in the "[NonInternet] of Thin= gs" that has the same issues only moreso. We need to make WiFi on ESP8266's= great in all the dimensions that matter. Not just fast, but capable of in= novation and interoperability at the network layer, and capable of protecti= ng our individual privacy when they surround us and outnumber us.=0A=0ABTW,= I went shopping for a pure home "gateway" box. What pleased me was this b= oard, because I am sure it has the "oomph" to deal with up to Gigabit packe= t processing (which is where all the current residential ISPs will shortly = be). It has room for RAM and a good mini-PCIe card, as well as a modest mS= ATA drive. You can use virtualization to provide isolation between parts.= =0A=0A=0A- Jetway NU93-2930 NUC Form Factor Intel Celeron N2930 SoC Bay Tra= il 2 Intel LAN, 2 Display, 2 x HDMI, 1 x SATA2 port, full-size mSATA, half-= size mini-PCIE, 1 External COM, 3xUSB2, 1xUSB3, Audio, 9V-24V DC-in (size 4= " x 4" x 1.5").=0A=0A- 8 GB SODIMM ($35)=0A- 32 GB mSATA ($30)=0A- 12v Wall= wart=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, February 14, 2016 7:46pm, "Rich Brown" said:=0A=0A> Hi Dave,=0A> =0A> Since I appear to be one of th= e owners of the Archer C7 wiki page, can you give me=0A> more info about th= e version number/package labelling/etc. so that we can provide=0A> the info= for people to identify that it's a bad one?=0A> =0A> Thanks.=0A> =0A> Rich= =0A> =0A> =0A>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Dave T=C3=A4ht = wrote:=0A>>=0A>> A pithy note on=0A>> https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link= /archer-c5-c7-wdr7500 - it contains=0A>> a bitter "thank you" to the FCC - = you can't upgrade the firmware to a=0A>> third party anymore.=0A>>=0A>> I c= an confirm this - the archer c7v2 I got off of amazon last week has=0A>> fi= rmware 3.14.3, and will not take a web upload of openwrt no matter=0A>> wha= t I tried. I also failed to get a tftp upload to work (but did not=0A>> try= hard enough).=0A>>=0A>> So this rules out the netgear wndr 4300, and tp-li= nk archer c7v2 for=0A>> future development efforts by the bufferbloat effor= t.=0A>>=0A>> It's too bad - the cake qdisc is back at a "nearly ready" stat= e and=0A>> could use some performance testing and optimization on these low= er end=0A>> platforms, and I'd like to get make-wifi-fast off the ground.= =0A>>=0A>> I guess it would be good to collect a list of those companies th= at are=0A>> engaging in whole router firmware lockdown instead of just lock= down on=0A>> the radio, so we can avoid them in the future.=0A>> __________= _____________________________________=0A>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list=0A>> = Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/list= info/cerowrt-devel=0A> =0A> _______________________________________________= =0A> Cerowrt-devel mailing list=0A> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A>= https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel=0A>