From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp97.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp97.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 149633B2B2 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp29.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp29.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF36A380640; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from app14.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp29.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9CFAD380632; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from app14.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.5.4); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:29:11 -0500 Received: from reed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app14.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCC7E007C; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Dave Taht" Cc: "John Yates" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: References: X-Auth-ID: dpreed@reed.com Message-ID: <1457382551.5747176@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.2.3-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Communicating better about bloat/openwrt/our issues over the web X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 20:29:12 -0000 Regarding OpenWRT, one should note that the major tech industry funded thin= k-tank in DC (ITIF) generally is unfriendly to the FCC getting involved in = security and privacy. Heres a report they just issued:=0A=0Ahttps://itif.or= g/publications/2016/03/01/broadband-privacy-folly-sector-specific-rules=0A= =0ATheir general view is that "industry will provide what the country needs= ", no matter what that is. Not surprising, but their funders (who are not d= isclosed) are typically the companies that oppose openness, privacy, etc. u= nless it serves their profit.=0A=0ANow I view the security and privacy of i= ndividuals to be best served by opening up communications gear for inspecti= on and improvement. To combat the spin provided by organizations like ITIF = needs a lot of work.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, March 6, 2016 11:48am, "Dave Tah= t" said:=0A=0A> changed the topic line.=0A> =0A> On S= at, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, John Yates wrote:=0A>> = On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Luis E. Garcia wrote:= =0A>>>=0A>>> +1=0A>>> A blog format where we can also comment and document = our=0A>>> experiences/tweaks.=0A> =0A> I am somewhat allergic to outsourcin= g the comment feature to disquis.=0A> And discourse introduced all the same= dependencies on complicated=0A> ruby and postgres stuff that redmine did, = and email (heck, netnews!)=0A> is my preferred metier, even if I'm out of s= tep...=0A> =0A> However I value the comments in most blogs far, far, far mo= re highly=0A> than the actual content, most of the time.=0A> =0A> :/=0A> = =0A> Let me open the question - how do we get more people interested in=0A>= reading/writing about open firmware, bufferbloat, modded routers,=0A> embe= dded boards, fighting with the FCC, etc?=0A> =0A> For example one thing we= 've never been able to take much advantage of=0A> is the "planet" concept w= here content is federated via rss.=0A> =0A>>=0A>> While blogs typically sup= port threaded commenting they do little to support=0A>> curation of anythin= g other than the main article. Perhaps a wiki would be=0A>> better.=0A> =0A= > There has been very little interest of late in maintenance of the=0A> exi= sting redmine based bufferbloat.net wiki, only seeing one update in=0A> the= last month or two on cake.=0A> =0A> The 350+ articles on it are in dire ne= ed of curation and update and=0A> unification, which is kind of hard to do = as wiki pages. A couple=0A> should get pushed out to wikipedia.=0A> =0A> Th= e "cool kids" seem to have moved to github, and to slack. The=0A> textile f= ormat of the wikitext for redmine vs wikipedia or markdown,=0A> is also a b= arrier to entry. After be-ing overwhelmed by spam, also, I=0A> stopped givi= ng out editing accounts on it long ago except to those=0A> that asked. All = these problems have shrunk the potential writer-base=0A> to maybe a core of= 8-10 people that contribute occasionally.=0A> =0A> ...=0A> =0A> I used to = keep my lab notebook in public git, along with bits of=0A> writing about ea= ch result. This was *very good for me* - but when we=0A> started getting cl= ose to codel actually working, and I was told that a=0A> patent hungry comp= etitor was reading the git posts diligently, I froze=0A> up. I've been kind= of reluctant to write down anywhere a few things=0A> important to get make= -wifi-fast right, also, even after joining the=0A> open inventions network.= ..=0A> =0A> Anyway - for bloggy stuff and a minimalistic website/wiki for c= erowrt.org...=0A> =0A> I have long been leaning towards converting the buff= erbloat.net site=0A> over to using a static site generator like hugo, with = git as a backing=0A> db, and to get away from redmine entirely - this is pa= rtially driven=0A> by the fact we desperately needed to move the main buffe= rbloat.net=0A> webserver out of it's co-lo months ago, and I have yet to ge= t redmine=0A> + postgres + redmine backup to succeed. Too many moving parts= ... (any=0A> postgres/redmine experts left in the house?)=0A> =0A> ...=0A> = =0A> Another option is to try to get space in something like arstechnica=0A= > but I doubt that suits much potential content or writers.=0A> =0A> "It wo= uld be nice" to have a column somewhere around some concept that=0A> made s= ense...=0A> =0A> ...but, like so much else in this world - writing doesn't = pay anymore.=0A> =0A> I am glad to be resurrecting my old blog a bit, 'caus= e I needed a=0A> place to vent, and the currently editorless, no commercial= content,=0A> write-any-damn-thing-I-want, use any content management syste= m I want,=0A> with no advertising, is the only thing that is freeing up my= =0A> subconcious to be able to write at all.=0A> =0A>>=0A>> /john=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>> _______________________________________________=0A>> Cerowrt-devel ma= iling list=0A>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A>> https://lists.buff= erbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel=0A>>=0A> _______________________________= ________________=0A> Cerowrt-devel mailing list=0A> Cerowrt-devel@lists.buf= ferbloat.net=0A> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel=0A>