From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp89.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp89.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DD4F3B260 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp28.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp28.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1CA65A07F6; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app55.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp28.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F6B6A07A7; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from app55.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.1); Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 Received: from reed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app55.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FA14119D; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "moeller0" Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?=" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: <61560A41-426F-4249-BFD1-1F6B113A5FAE@gmx.de> References: <61560A41-426F-4249-BFD1-1F6B113A5FAE@gmx.de> X-Auth-ID: dpreed@reed.com Message-ID: <1471040770.005522667@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.5.2-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Making AQM harder... X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:26:10 -0000 Maybe we all need to buy some Sandvine devices for our homes that detect IW= 10 and forge TCP RSTs? Or maybe Ellacoya will develop one for consumers?= =0A=0AThat's what Comcast did when bufferbloat was killing their gear on up= load, as I'm sure we all remember. Except the FCC is not going to ask me t= o testify on network management practices, nor is the CRTC or Ofcom, and a = lame duck commission or a Brexiting UK is not going to stop folks from depl= oying DPI and packet forging technology.=0A=0ASo maybe the point of cake is= past time. Let chaos reign.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, August 12, 2016 9:21am, = "moeller0" said:=0A=0A> Hi List,=0A> =0A> according to (w= hich most of you probably know already) MS is jumping on the IW10=0A> train= , so brace for impact ;) Also windows =E2=80=9Cexposes=E2=80=9D LEDBAT, if= =0A> =E2=80=9CLEDBAT is only exposed through an undocumented socket option = at the=0A> moment=E2=80=9D can actually be called exposure=E2=80=A6=0A> =09= Also I noticed some discussions of windows 10 update traffic, effectively= =0A> monopolizing links with (competent) AQWM/QoS setups, it seems we need = cake to=0A> fully bake soon ;)=0A> =0A> =0A> Best Regards=0A> =09Sebastian= =0A> _______________________________________________=0A> Cerowrt-devel mail= ing list=0A> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A> https://lists.bufferbl= oat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel=0A> =0A